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re: Is Kentucky southern?
Posted on 1/28/24 at 9:27 am to cwil1
Posted on 1/28/24 at 9:27 am to cwil1
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Kentuckians and Tenneeseeans who moved to the little dixie area of Missouri.
I have been on Jessie James family farm in Central Kentucky
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1.Kentuckians supported unionism because they felt the best way to keep their slaves was to stick with the Union. Rather than risk it with a confederacy.
Not sure where you get this from at all?
Lexington, Kentucky was about 1/2 black in its early history (similar to most southern states) and had the #2 slave market in the USA next to the old courthouse (still standing) on Main Street and Cheapside.
The misnomer of slaves is that everybody in the South had them which is clearly a great distortion of the truth. Say Lexington, KY had a population of 40K and half were black and half were white the numbers are skewed by ownership. Like today where the 1% of the 1% of the 1% controls the USA, similar numbers had the VAST majority of the slaves (say 20 people owned 19,000 slaves). Think of the industries (slave markets excluded) and what was the real demand for slaves?
Bourbon is a skill industry (not slave worthy)
Horses is a mixed industry (slaves for farm work, free men for grooms and jockeys)
NOTE : One of the richer black men in the South lived halfway between downtown Lexington and the early UK and was a merchant - rumored to have made massive wealth in slave trading. The jockey industry was exclusively black and they were Michael Jordan rich for athletes of their era
Hemp is probably a slave industry but coal and oil kill "The Age of Sail"
Coal is new and not yet slave (that will come later with white slavery "company towns")
Arms manufacturing (skill job, not slave job) - think DuPont not Colt
Tobacco had limited slave use as you only need the labor 1 - 2 months out of 12 and not economically as viable when you have to house slaves, feed them, and put clothes on them 12 months out of the year. It snows in KY so you need fuel in the winter when they do no labor.
Sugar Cane and Cotton are much more prone to slave labor based on climate and use of labor over all 12 months of the year. Idle people (free or slave) cost money when not working.
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 9:53 am to cwil1
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2. Kentucky never held a popular vote to secede because the state leg. was made up of transplanted midwesterners and old school whigs
Not sure where you get this?
Early America was 2 parties
Federalist = landed gentry, lawyers, bankers (modern day 1% folks)
Democratic - Republican = farmers, merchants, workers, craftsmen, etc
Henry Clay started as a Democratic - Republican as his father was well respected but poor. When he died, his mother married $$$$, and he began to switch sides. Henry Clay's wife (native KY with VERY rich daddy) was $$$$ and their marriage cemented Henry Clays transition from Democratic - Republican to Whig (what the Federalist morphed into). Very similar to the Turtle today, started poor but was seduced by the power and $$$$ of the Dark Side. While folks argue constantly about modern politics, the Republicans are the "new" Federalists and the Democrats are the "new" Democratic - Republicans.
Old Kentucky was folks from the East who migrated West as land opened up. The names of early KY were the descendants of MD, VA, TN, SC, and such. Biggest source of transplants was Virginia.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:52 am to cwil1
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3. Kentucky had economic ties to Northern cities so it coulnd't afford a war
Source?
I am most positive that the GLOBAL hemp trade was based in Central Kentucky (Age of Sail) and the main reason Lexington KY is the largest city in the US (and possibly the world) not on a major waterway. Hemp is a resource and the oldest mens club west of the mountains is in Lexington KY and full of English and French names. They much preferred trade with Europe as the finished goods there were superior to goods from thew North in the USA.
After the War of Northern Agression the citizens of Kentucky were subjuect to the "dispossession" laws that brought financial ruin to the South. As stated above, most of the timber and coal (land) went to a handful of families in NY and PA as the citizens of the state were dispossessed. So argue Abe was killed to make sure this happened as being from the state he was sympathetic to not dispossessing those in the state with net assets over 10K (land + $$$$ + chattel + animals + slaves + personal goods) - view it as a modern day "net worth" statenment.
To be fair, KY was asset rich in the materials of war so BOTH sides wanted access to these goods.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:00 pm to cwil1
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4.Kentucky's slaves could easily flee across the ohio river if they seceded
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Lexington Kentucky was the #2 slave market in the USA. This is noteworthy as they were not a source (port) slave market and their entire inventory was secondary. Think of the car market.
Ford + GM + Chrysler = primary slaves (new) from Africa
Used car dealer = secondary slaves (used) from capture and trade
While Central Kentucky (and other agricultural parts of the state) were 50% black, most are down to just 5% to 15% today as the loss of agricultural dominance and loss of slave markets dropped the population greatly. In the last century sharecroppers and free blacks alike crossed the Ohio Ocean for industrial jobs in the auto industry and similar modern industries.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:11 pm to cwil1
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7. Is predomintaly Scot-irish and English in ancestry (except the 3 counties near ohio)
You do understand that these are two DISTINCT cultures, right?
So many lump the "Bloody Anglish" and the Scots - Irish as the same when they historically hated each other and fought with each other. UK is a "leasehold" country and Scots - Irish were tenants, not owners.
English in America = land grant (Federalist)
Scots - Irish in America = workers (Democratic - Republicans)
My family are very early Scots - Irish in America and trust me, they came here to get the hell away from English oppression in the4 UK.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:56 pm to jkelly107
And you produced Bill Clinton. We all have screw ups that vote for idiots.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:46 pm to Lynxrufus2012
Say what you will about Bill, he was all equality when it comes to pooontang, have to respect he does not have to pay for it. Been around lots of women and only 2 men have the "electric" hair on end on so many different women.
Elvis
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Elvis
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:58 am to deputyfife
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Is Kentucky southern?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:59 am to Armymann50
Why do you say no?
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