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re: Is America better off since the Tea Party formed?
Posted on 10/18/13 at 9:59 am to McRebel42
Posted on 10/18/13 at 9:59 am to McRebel42
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I stated first that they are probably both equally bad.
Then I stated my opinion which was different from what I stated as what is probably true.
understood.
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 9:59 am to Alahunter
IMO, as a registered R, there are many things that should be government mandated.
I'm in commercial insurance, and believe that Obamacare will eventually fail. But I also 100% agree that business owner's should be required to provide health insurance at a bare minimum.
A hundred years ago, businesses weren't even required to provide Worker's Compensation. Can you imagine? Henry Ford would have employees lose a finger on the assembly line and he'd tell them to wrap it up, keep working, or go home and don't bother coming back. That's asinine.
I know you have your own business and do not provide Health Insurance for your employees, but if it were more affordable, you would be able to. But that's another discussion involving big pharma and big insurance raking in more money than we can possibly imagine, yet the average business owner who provides Health Insurance is having to operate on 1-2% margins. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I'm in commercial insurance, and believe that Obamacare will eventually fail. But I also 100% agree that business owner's should be required to provide health insurance at a bare minimum.
A hundred years ago, businesses weren't even required to provide Worker's Compensation. Can you imagine? Henry Ford would have employees lose a finger on the assembly line and he'd tell them to wrap it up, keep working, or go home and don't bother coming back. That's asinine.
I know you have your own business and do not provide Health Insurance for your employees, but if it were more affordable, you would be able to. But that's another discussion involving big pharma and big insurance raking in more money than we can possibly imagine, yet the average business owner who provides Health Insurance is having to operate on 1-2% margins. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 9:59 am to cas4t
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But it is now being portrayed as the only people who use welfare, foodstamps, etc.. are African Americans who sit at home all day popping out babies and playing on their Obamaphone
Over 48 million people on food stamps.
Over 46 million people on disability.
People that are living off gov't, walk around with Nike Airs, using their cell phones, watching big screen tv and Jerry Springer, figuring out which lawyer on tv to call to sue little Debbie for making them fat asses.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:01 am to sorantable
Any extremist sect within the two parties blow. I hate both parties though because they are both so corrupt and agree on more than this disagree on
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:04 am to cas4t
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IMO, as a registered R, there are many things that should be government mandated.
I'm in commercial insurance, and believe that Obamacare will eventually fail. But I also 100% agree that business owner's should be required to provide health insurance at a bare minimum.
A hundred years ago, businesses weren't even required to provide Worker's Compensation. Can you imagine? Henry Ford would have employees lose a finger on the assembly line and he'd tell them to wrap it up, keep working, or go home and don't bother coming back. That's asinine.
I know you have your own business and do not provide Health Insurance for your employees, but if it were more affordable, you would be able to. But that's another discussion involving big pharma and big insurance raking in more money than we can possibly imagine, yet the average business owner who provides Health Insurance is having to operate on 1-2% margins. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I agree with this. I think the Tea Party's biggest failures are the denials that free market and common sense solutions are great alternatives. The liberals always talk about the mandate as a "republican idea about personal responsibility, why do they hate it now"... you're damn straight everyone needs health care, and incentivizing people to do it, is a damn good idea. The government can perpetuate free market solutions while providing common sense benefits that promote the general welfare of society. That's the Republican Party I support, not the Tea Party that is full of Ayn Rand ideologues.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:04 am to Alahunter
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FWIW, I don't get folks blaming Bush for things. His policies were doubled down on by Obama, who you love.
I don't love Obama. I think he's been a pretty terrible President, only slightly better than Bush who was the worst President we've ever had. Spare me the he meant well BS. He didn't mean well, except for his wealthy cronies.
My point with those facts was to point out the hypocrisy and ignorance of the Tea Partiers. They are quick to invoke the memory of Reagan, who TRIPLED the debt during his eight years in office. They are quick to throw out the amount of the debt, without pointing out the debt to GDP ratio.
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I didn't say all debt, but it's by far the largest portion of it. What I said is that the decay of this country is because of so many entitlement programs and generations of people living on them as a lifestyle, instead of temporary help. Take the EBT card failure last week and the massive theft because of it. Hell, we advertise in Mexico, telling them how to come up here to sign up for free programs.
We've been coming out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. It's common sense that "entitlement" spending would increase. And it wasn't massive theft. Walmart opened the doors and abandoned the $50 limit. That's on Walmart.
I've worked in welfare programs. The vast majority of those receiving benefits are truly in need of assistance. I have no problem with our government helping them out.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:04 am to cas4t
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But I also 100% agree that business owner's should be required to provide health insurance at a bare minimum.
As a small business owner, I whole heartedly disagree. If a company wishes to offer it as part of compensation, it's their right. If they don't want to, nobody is forcing anyone to work for them and they will reap the benefit or pay for not doing so.
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but if it were more affordable, you would be able to
And now, because of the Gov't, mine is going up. That takes profit out of my pocket and I now have to make up for that added expense and will be however much longer from eventually being to the point of hiring someone, because if/when I do, I'll have added expenses for that person as well, if I choose to give health insurance.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:05 am to cas4t
You're last paragraph is true but when the left portrays business owners as evil it's tough to get your employees to believe that.
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:06 am to Alahunter
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Over 48 million people on food stamps.
Over 46 million people on disability.
People that are living off gov't, walk around with Nike Airs, using their cell phones, watching big screen tv and Jerry Springer, figuring out which lawyer on tv to call to sue little Debbie for making them fat asses.
I agree 100% that the programs are abused, but it's not in all cases. To say that 48 million people who use foodstamps are wearing Nike Airs, watching big screens, etc..is just plain false.
Disability insurance is widely used by the elderly. It typically pays out less than $1,000 a month and requires you to not be able to perform ANY occupation.
This sounds cliche' as I'll get out, but if we didn't change a thing with these programs, but began drug testing as a pre-req, we would weed out a lot of people.
And not the drug testing where they send you in alone to a bathroom. I'm talking parole/probation type drug testing where an officer is standing next to you in the bathroom.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:06 am to Alahunter
Hunter,
It's not that congress is to be a rubber stamp for the potus. It's that the TP has to realize what they can get in the minority position. They fight for the sake of fighting Obama. He may not want to come to the table, but he's got the position of power. Fighting everything gets your side nothing. Sometimes you got to play the game.
It's not that congress is to be a rubber stamp for the potus. It's that the TP has to realize what they can get in the minority position. They fight for the sake of fighting Obama. He may not want to come to the table, but he's got the position of power. Fighting everything gets your side nothing. Sometimes you got to play the game.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:07 am to The Spleen
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I think he's been a pretty terrible President, only slightly better than Bush who was the worst President we've ever had
Obama easily is the worst. And he's getting a free pass for violating Constitutional Rights by spying on citizens, the press, using the IRS to target what his administration feels are political enemies, pushing weapons into the hands of drug cartel members, knowingly, without tracing them. Lying and covering up murders of U.S. citizens overseas. Using political clout to "make citizens suffer" to achieve his policies. Nobody has been more vindictive, hurtful, arrogant or detrimental as President in a very long time.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:08 am to The Spleen
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I've worked in welfare programs. The vast majority of those receiving benefits are truly in need of assistance. I have no problem with our government helping them out.
What welfare programs did you work with? Cause 75% of the ones I work with are milking the damn system.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:08 am to Duke
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He may not want to come to the table,
He DOESN'T come to the table. That's the problem. That's the reason the Tea Party is growing in the House.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:09 am to Alahunter
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As a small business owner, I whole heartedly disagree. If a company wishes to offer it as part of compensation, it's their right. If they don't want to, nobody is forcing anyone to work for them and they will reap the benefit or pay for not doing so.
If healthcare were more affordable, then employees would be able to leave a certain business that does not provide insurance for a business that does. Murica.
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And now, because of the Gov't, mine is going up
Meh. I work for an insurance company, and you can blame them just as much as the government. I work for a private company and we are worth 5.5 billion dollars, yet we're jacking premiums up because we're scared what Obamacare will do to our profits. And we're not even in the public exchange!
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:10 am to The Spleen
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The vast majority of those receiving benefits are truly in need of assistance
I go into a lot of homes that are on it. I'm gonna disagree.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:10 am to Alahunter
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Obama easily is the worst. And he's getting a free pass for violating Constitutional Rights by spying on citizens, the press, using the IRS to target what his administration feels are political enemies, pushing weapons into the hands of drug cartel members, knowingly, without tracing them. Lying and covering up murders of U.S. citizens overseas. Using political clout to "make citizens suffer" to achieve his policies. Nobody has been more vindictive, hurtful, arrogant or detrimental as President in a very long time.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:11 am to Alahunter
If you look at demographics, it's still a fairly small group of people in mostly undereducated rural areas. Tea Party politics is losing ground amongst the knowledge based classes.
Most traditionally conservative republicans I know we're absolutely livid over the threat to defund the government and default. They feel like they had to choose the lesser of two evils and support bad policy to avert economic disaster.
Most traditionally conservative republicans I know we're absolutely livid over the threat to defund the government and default. They feel like they had to choose the lesser of two evils and support bad policy to avert economic disaster.
This post was edited on 10/18/13 at 10:15 am
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:11 am to Alahunter
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Obama easily is the worst. And he's getting a free pass for violating Constitutional Rights by spying on citizens, the press, using the IRS to target what his administration feels are political enemies, pushing weapons into the hands of drug cartel members, knowingly, without tracing them. Lying and covering up murders of U.S. citizens overseas. Using political clout to "make citizens suffer" to achieve his policies. Nobody has been more vindictive, hurtful, arrogant or detrimental as President in a very long time.
I agree with all of this 100%. But to be far, I think we were spied on much earlier than 2008. No way to prove it obviously, but I think it's a feasible prediction.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:12 am to Bellabama
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:13 am to Bellabama
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Thanks Obama
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