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re: Is addiction a choice or not?

Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68475 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:21 pm to
100% a choice. It's not a choice when your DNA forces you to do it. And nobody is forced by their DNA to do drugs.
Posted by WmWallace
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
1820 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:22 pm to
As a doctor and family member of an alcoholic..I concur with Cockapotamus
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10564 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:12 pm to
Almost nothing is 100% when it involves humans. I'm sure the sex slaves of the world would definitely disagree with your assumption.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
23973 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:17 pm to
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A physical addiction is not a choice. Detox will fix a physical addiction. As for the mental part well you have to live it to understand it and there are not enough words in the world for me to be able to have you understand it.


Absolutely this. Ag you already know the struggle I went thru with addiction but I think I'll share a little about what led me onto the hellish path that is addiction.

Long story short, I was the primary Trauma nurse on 9/1/93 and the paramedics brought an infant in, CPR in progress. I had no clue who the patient was until the medics arrived and placed him on our stretcher. It was my 7 month old and he was pronounced DOA...cause of death SIDS.

I was pregnant at the time that this happened and I lost both..it was twins. They gave me a Rx pain med and I discovered that when I took the meds, not only did my physical discomfort subside, but it also numbed me from a reality that I just couldn't face. It took a long time to get the addiction in check...besides having to bury my baby, overcoming addiction was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. It meant facing what I'd been running from for so long..allowing myself to feel the pain full force with nothing acting as a barrier to lessen the pain.

I wish more people realized that addicts/alcoholics do not fit into any preconceived stereotype. Addiction doesn't discriminate...it can happen to anybody at any given time.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:32 pm to
Yep I don't try and argue or explain it to non addicts, they will never understand and that's ok. Plus it makes it easier to ignore the will power folks. I've discussed this subject in pretty fair depth in other threads here but tonight I'm tired and I have to get up early so I'll let it go.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
23973 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:55 pm to
Yeah, the willpower contingency pisses me off the most.

If it were that damn easy there would be a hell of a lot of recovering addicts and very few active addicts. Trying to educate them about addiction from the most qualified population-those who have experienced it-is like banging your head against a brick wall.


And ygm by the way.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35969 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:56 pm to
Hundreds of thousands non-violent drug offenders are in jail for years for selling products that are objectively less harmful than oxycontin, yet our government sees fit to ok mass distribution to children. If there is any proof that the War on Drugs is a sham, it's this.
Posted by Hardy_Har
MS
Member since Nov 2012
16285 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:02 pm to
I can't imagine burying a child. Utmost respect for you.

This post was edited on 8/15/15 at 7:05 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:05 pm to
I mean. Through science we've shown that certain things are chemically addictive, right? And we've also shown dopamine responses being triggered by certain drugs as well. So, I don't think it's a choice. I don't think it's impossible to overcome by choice though. You have to go through withdrawals and dopamine correction and what not, but yeah. I mean that's addiction.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
23973 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:12 pm to
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Hundreds of thousands non-violent drug offenders are in jail for years for selling products that are objectively less harmful than oxycontin, yet our government sees fit to ok mass distribution to children. If there is any proof that the War on Drugs is a sham, it's this.


I agree. If children are in need of pain control as to warrant prescribing Oxycontin to them, a much safer alternative is to keep them in the hospital while providing professional monitoring of these meds. Another valid option would be to implant a pain control pump that administers a preset amount of medication around the clock.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35969 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:27 pm to
I agree with you. And as someone who has dealt with addiction firsthand, let me say that your message is far more powerful than simple-minded phrases like "Just Say No."

Because we have been conditioned to believe we're at war with drugs, those who admit to using drugs become the enemy, which in turn dehumanizes them. Thank you for showing that addiction neither judges nor discriminates.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111498 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 12:58 am to
Kids aren't going to be prescribed Oxy as a first line treatment. They have to be on other opioids 1st. That's usually the result of pain management after surgery or as part of cancer pain management.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46182 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 2:20 am to
100% without a doubt it is a choice.

Nothing is forcing you to do whatever you are addicted to therefore it is a choice. Now is it difficult to overcome addiction? Very. But it's not even an argument whether it's a choice or not.

My body may be giving me pain signals to get what it wants but you still have to think about do it or not do it.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46182 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 2:23 am to
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If it were that damn easy

Who said it was easy?

If it wasn't a choice, then no one would be able to overcome it. Obviously it's difficult as shite to overcome addiction but level of difficulty has nothing to do with it being a choice or not.
This post was edited on 8/15/15 at 2:25 am
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 7:27 am to
Addiction is a choice. I made that choice for years. People always have dumb excuses to get high.
I GOT HIGH BECAUSE IT WAS FUN TO GET HIGH.
No excuses
Posted by parrothead
big salty ham
Member since Mar 2010
4439 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 8:16 am to
Addiction varies depending on what your DOC is. Some can be psychological some can be physical...really depending on the person. As far as pills, alcohol, and heroin goes - they start as a choice but soon become a necessity. Specifically with those three things, they reset your body chemistry creating withdrawls. That's why you'll see people who struggle with those things in legit life or death situations if they don't have it. It all starts with a choice but can easily become a real issue
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10397 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:08 am to
I am fortunate, I never have had an addiction problem. I realize others do.
When the price of cigarettes went up to $1.45 a pack and at least half of the pack I bought went to friends bumming off me, I said 'frick it' and just put them down.
I used to enjoy a form of, er, natural smoke quite often but when the price tripled ($15 per unit to $45), I got pissed and pretty much laid that down as well.
I enjoyed quite a bit of alcohol in my younger days, a 12 pack was a normal purchase for a Friday night. Now, a couple of cold ones with barbeque or pizza when eating out are about it. I might buy a six pack for home on a occasional weekend, drink two or three and the remainder stay in my refrigerator until they get old and I throw them out.
Yes, you can tell by my 'price quotes' that this was many years ago.
Just saying all that to say that I understand that I am fortunate in being able to control my recreational chemicals, and I understand that some are not.
I wish everyone were able to.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:11 am to
It starts as a choice, obviously iyam.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:36 am to
I used to think it was strictly a choice but then I studied it. I discovered that the human condition can be so painful that the appeal of relief from any quarter can lead people to try just about anything.

I don't think addiction is necessarily a choice. I think asking for help is.
Posted by parrothead
big salty ham
Member since Mar 2010
4439 posts
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:39 am to
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It starts as a choice, obviously iyam.


I do agree, it's definitely a choice. The scary part about addiction is how casual that choice can be. The first time I ever drank, smoked, etc it wasn't really a something I sat long and hard about; it just happened. The only addiction I have is to nicotine, thank goodness. I'm just saying one thing leads into another and has a snowball effect (which I presume generally happens over the course of years). I've seen it happen to people, it's a scary turn
This post was edited on 8/15/15 at 10:46 am
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