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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:23 pm to
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God help the hispanics and especially the Muslims


Legal immigrants have nothing to fear, nor do law abiding. ILLEGAL ones, and those who wish to do harm? Damn right they better be in fear. We're a sovereign nation and borders should be protected and who is let in should be controlled.

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Islamophobia has been softy accepted in the US looong before trump


Terror attacks by Islamic extremists and a HUGE portion of Muslims believing what they are doing is ok has created that. Rightfully so. Along with the tenants of that vile, violent cult.

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you're going to see a lot of retaliation against Arab communities and even non Muslim communities like that Sikh temple shooting that happened a few years ago


Nice. Guilty before anything happened. How would you react if I made a similar claim against the black community, as if they could not control themselves are were destined to act like animals? Try being a little more racist in your view.

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It's already going to tear families apart


They are welcome to take their children back to their homeland, where they are citizens. Why do families have to be torn apart? Lousy narrative and argument.

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you can't tell me that there won't be several instances where Latino Americans will be "mistakenly" deported.


How will U.S. CITIZENS, be "mistakenly" deported? wtf?

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Tomorrow go out and ask really ANY minority the first feeling they felt when they woke up today


IDGAF. Start thinking of yourself as an AMERICAN, and what is best for EVERYONE, instead of this we deserve this shite because and things may start getting better.

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Well Trump has already come out and said that he has a "list" of all the republicans who didn't support him.


How is this any different or worse than what Obama has done for the past 8 yrs that you have never vocalized concerns over? Oh, that's right.. frick the white man.

You state that he and his supporters need to work to bring others and compromise. How bout the fricking trash burning shite in the streets, attacking citizens for simply stating their support, and acting like petulant children, grow the frick up first. How about taking that "high horse" you're on and go talk to them about acting like civilized people and tell them to quit destroying and protesting the results of a Democratic lawful election? It's not the R's or the conservatives, or Trump that has been violent this election cycle and continue to be. It's your brethren and fellow "downtrodden" who are the violent, narcisstic, divisive folks.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:45 pm to
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Legal immigrants have nothing to fear, nor do law abiding. ILLEGAL ones, and those who wish to do harm? Damn right they better be in fear. We're a sovereign nation and borders should be protected and who is let in should be controlled
nothing will change. he used this to get white people to vote for him and it worked.
Posted by olddawg26
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:51 pm to
You're pretty crazy
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:54 pm to
Go ahead and refute one thing he said. I'll wait
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:55 pm to
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I'll wait


Do you have a choice
Posted by olddawg26
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:56 pm to
His very first sentence I'd say is viewed completely differently from the pov of legal immigrants.
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:04 pm to
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Alahunter


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Tomorrow go out and ask really ANY minority the first feeling they felt when they woke up today

Trump Did Better With Blacks, Hispanics Than Romney in '12

sorry your narrative doesn't work when presented facts :\
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:24 pm to
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His very first sentence I'd say is viewed completely differently from the pov of legal immigrants.


Based on what? Are you a legal immigrant? If so, as a legal immigrant, how do you feel about having had to go through the red tape and expense to become a legalized citizen vs those who don't?
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:29 pm to
Fricking anti-freedom, anti-democracy loons.. aka those that oledawg there seems to be in support of...


5m5 minutes ago
Breaking News Feed ?@pzf
BREAKING NEWS: MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT DECLARED AT TRUMP PROTEST IN SEATTLE AFTER AT LEAST 4 PEOPLE SHOT. SUSPECT AT LARGE.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:35 pm to
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nothing will change. he used this to get white people to vote for him and it worked


I seriously thought he was unelectable and stated so several times on the poli board. Hillary is what made people vote for him. Her crazy, criminal behavior and promise to keep Obamacare when people have worse coverage and are paying more than their mortgage for it...
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:59 pm to
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His very first sentence I'd say is viewed completely differently from the pov of legal immigrants.





Really? Would it surprise you to know that he won the Cuban vote by 13%? Because he did.


Lots of people have legally immigrated from places other than Mexico, and they voted for Trump in droves.


Stop pretending to be a champion of the poor and disenfranchised, you just sound ignorant.
Posted by Carolina Tide
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Member since Jul 2013
5747 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:35 pm to
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Legal immigrants have nothing to fear, nor do law abiding. ILLEGAL ones, and those who wish to do harm? Damn right they better be in fear. We're a sovereign nation and borders should be protected and who is let in should be controlled.


I agree with this.

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Terror attacks by Islamic extremists and a HUGE portion of Muslims believing what they are doing is ok has created that. Rightfully so.


What about the millions of Muslims who DON'T support ISIS and radical Islam? Speaking out against them hasn't stopped all the constant harassment and hatred that they still face on a daily basis. I guarantee there are far more who just want peace, and better yet-to be left alone.

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Rightfully so. Along with the tenants of that vile, violent cult.


Oh Jesus Christ.

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They are welcome to take their children back to their homeland, where they are citizens. Why do families have to be torn apart? Lousy narrative and argument


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How will U.S. CITIZENS, be "mistakenly" deported? wtf?


I hope you know that you just answered your own question in a way. You're suggesting that we deport hispanics who were BORN HERE to a country they've probably never even seen, just because their parents aren't from here. Yeah there is an "anchor baby"problem, but you can't deport american citizens. You just can't.


And will Hispanics have to constantly carry their birth certificate everywhere they go? And if they don't have them whats to say an over eager border patrol agent won't deport them? I'm not saying that this will happen often It's all just royally fricked up.

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Nice. Guilty before anything happened. How would you react if I made a similar claim against the black community, as if they could not control themselves are were destined to act like animals? Try being a little more racist in your view.



I literally posted an example of a hate crime. You even fricking quoted me.

Hate crimes against muslims are on the rise.

Hate Crimes againts Muslims most since post 9/11 era.

LINK

LINK


This article has a map or recent Muslim hate crimes

I'm not being racist nor am I race baiting. You're just being willfully ignorant. These people are fricking scared for their lives and you're just brushing as if its nothing. But since you called them- and I quote:

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tenants of that vile, violent cult.


I doubt you care what happens to them.


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IDGAF. Start thinking of yourself as an AMERICAN, and what is best for EVERYONE, instead of this we deserve this shite because and things may start getting better.


Why don't you take your own advice? Think about whats best for EVERYONE, and what they're going through.

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How is this any different or worse than what Obama has done for the past 8 yrs that you have never vocalized concerns over? Oh, that's right.. frick the white man.


Oh Jesus Christ.

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You state that he and his supporters need to work to bring others and compromise. How bout the fricking trash burning shite in the streets, attacking citizens for simply stating their support, and acting like petulant children, grow the frick up first. How about taking that "high horse" you're on and go talk to them about acting like civilized people and tell them to quit destroying and protesting the results of a Democratic lawful election?


Oh don't even act like trump supporters wouldn't have done the same exact fricking thing had Clinton won. At least Clinton didn't subtly suggest that someone should off Trump like he suggested. (Oh wait..... It was a joke, my mistake.)

You're suggesting that people should shut up and accept the results when that fat orange son of a bitch has spent the last month and a half bitching that the election was fricking rigged (when he was losing) and that he would accept the election only if he won. So why don't YOU get off your fricking high horse and accept the fact that your hypocritical candidate and party base would be doing the EXACT. SAME.frickING.THING.


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It's not the R's or the conservatives, or Trump that has been violent this election cycle and continue to be. It's your brethren and fellow "downtrodden" who are the violent, narcisstic, divisive folks.




Oh Jesus Christ.

Have you just started paying attention to this election this past week or something? Have you missed the constant coverage of violence at his rallies. Did you not see This video of him?

And you're absolutely right,this violence didn't happen at any Bush rally, or Rubio rally, or Cruz rally, or Kasich rally. Also didn't happen at any Dem rally either. It was only the trump rallies. Are these current protesters tonight largely irrelevant and acting stupid? yes, but let's not act like only one side was violent.


Alahunter I know you're smarter than this, I know it. You have valid points but you know some of the stuff I'm saying makes sense. I have the facts to back it up.



Good God its going to be a long four years.
Posted by Carolina Tide
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:40 pm to
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hawgfaninc




And on to you:



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Trump Did Better With Blacks, Hispanics Than Romney in '12

sorry your narrative doesn't work when presented facts :\



While he did do better with hispanics than expected its not like he won the majority (he wasn't even close). So 29% voted for him? Well 71% voted against him so...... That's the majority.


And at the Black vote. 8%. Really? 8%. Yes he did "better" than Romney, but he didn't even break double digits.


Honestly you're acting as if these numbers means that he's the champion for these communities. I assure you he's not.
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 10:44 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:35 pm to
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8%. Really? 8%. Yes he did "better" than Romney, but he didn't even break double digits.


Big step in the right direction. Pun intended.

Baby steps.

No one's acting like Trump won a majority, or is a champion among minorities. The fact that he did better than Romney with them in spite of the silly racist libel is definitely worth talking about, though.

Hopefully this can be the start of breaking up the damn groupthink.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
46511 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 12:35 am to
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While he did do better with hispanics than expected its not like he won the majority (he wasn't even close). So 29% voted for him? Well 71% voted against him so...... That's the majority.


And at the Black vote. 8%. Really? 8%. Yes he did "better" than Romney, but he didn't even break double digits.


Honestly you're acting as if these numbers means that he's the champion for these communities. I assure you he's not.

yea I didn't really read any of that. but if I had to guess you're trying to move the goal posts

what I posted was in response to:
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Tomorrow go out and ask really ANY minority the first feeling they felt when they woke up today

which that link I provided shows is absolutly false.

a good portion of minorities, gays, blacks, etc.. support trump
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
46511 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 12:41 am to
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No one's acting like Trump won a majority, or is a champion among minorities. The fact that he did better than Romney with them in spite of the silly racist libel is definitely worth talking about, though.

Hopefully this can be the start of breaking up the damn groupthink.

yea, even without the silly racist label, those minorities generally vote democrat regardless of who is running

the fact Trump did better than Romney speaks volumes that a lot of minorities weren't fooled by the media smear campaign against Trump
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24634 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 2:33 am to
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However, the shooting was not related to the protests, Seattle police said.



Ouch.... your narrative
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69947 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:41 am to
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Have you just started paying attention to this election this past week or something? Have you missed the constant coverage of violence at his rallies. Did you not see This video of him?



Oh come on, that's just funny. Not as good as "confiscate their coats", but I laughed.


I'm sure you're aware of Hillary's campaign paying protesters to start fights at Trump rallies. Like the one that supposedly got knocked out in Orangeburg, with no witnesses, btw, and it turns out that she's a "professional protester".

I didn't even know there was such a thing before this election.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:45 am to
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the fact Trump did better than Romney speaks volumes that a lot of minorities weren't fooled by the media smear campaign against Trump


Exactly.
Posted by ghusbhus
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Member since Mar 2015
772 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 10:24 am to
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There are literally millions of Americans who are fearful for their safety and their children's safety. Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, members of the LGBT community, and probably many more. As much as I appreciate the meltdown of the far left SJWs I definitely see where they are coming from.

And I get the fear of the older generation of African Americans who lived through the sixties. They truly feel as if we're about to experience it again. You can't deny that some of his rhetoric has contributed to this fear, whether it was intentional or not. While I don't think it will be that bad Trump and the GOP HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!

You might have won thanks to the angry white working class but now you represent all of us. This nation is deeply divided, and you're going to have to reach across the aisle and sit down with people ( a lot of people) and actually have a discussion. The only way this nation can move forward is of we all actually work together. You asked black people what the Hell do we have to lose? Well, we have a lot to lose, and the Latinx and Muslim communities have even more to lose, so don't let us down.


I gotcha. But keep in mind, I'm a longstanding member of the #NeverTrump crew. The guy doesn't have a political history in regards to action, so for me, the slate is wiped clean for him, and he has every chance to do what he said he's going to do, or not.

That said, let's blow away all of the rhetoric and hot garbage that the media has coated his words with and get down to what he actually said:

- Hispanics - Yeah, he really fricked up on this one. He did call them rapists and criminals. But he hasn't said anything about doing anything to anyone that hasn't broken the law. If you're here legally, there's no reason to believe that anything is going to happen to you. I can understand the hesitation with hispanics because of what he said, but by that logic, Barack Obama should have rounded up and executed millions of white people by now, because he's said some pretty nasty shite about whites.

-LGBT - The guy has been nothing but friendly toward this community. Even going so far to allow transgendered bathrooms on his properties. As far as I've seen, the guy is pretty far left when it comes to homosexuals and transsexuals.

- Blacks - A subset of his supporters are some pretty vile white nationalist groups that have latched on to what he said about mexicans and then decided to ignore everything else that the guy has ever done or said. But Trump himself has never said anything racist towards blacks that I'm aware of. And if you ask all of the black people around him, they think he's a pretty stand up guy.

- Muslims - I believe the only thing he said about Muslims is that he was going to temporarily ban them from coming in from places like syria and iraq. That doesn't mean he's going to go to dearborn MI and round up all the muslims and kick them out. That just means he's going to prevent them from coming in from targeted countries until there's no longer a threat.

You can criticize his policies that he's flip flopped back and forth multiple times, there's plenty there, but there's no need to buy into the bullshite that the media put forth about him being a racist. He's not a racist. A bit of an idiot, sure. A lifelong leftist, absolutely. But the guy isn't a racist. That fricking word is thrown around way too much, and that's what bit democrats in the arse this time, and truth be told, it's what produced a Donald Trump in the first place.

If blacks, homosexuals, muslims, and hispanics want to avoid another Donald Trump the easiest way to do so is by making sure that you let people voice their opinion freely, and don't call someone a racist that doesn't agree with you on something, and don't let the democrats do it on your behalf either.
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