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Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:56 am to CrimsonTideMD
I wouldn't have these sparatic, repressed, calvinistic-fueled aggression outbursts had I not. lol I'd be like the Christians in this thread, I wouldn't care about this stuff, and if ever brought up I'd slap another layer of faith on it. Problem solved. 
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:22 pm to Stacked
Don't forget Hinduism, the oldest religion. Even though people want to make fun of them for having 1,000's of gods, they still believe in a monotheistic god, meaning that all existence came from that God, the supreme God if you will.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:25 pm to Stacked
Did you finish divinity school?
Just curious.
At one time as a younger man, the many incongruities weighed heavily on my mind. I prayed, hoped, even begged, for relief for years. Read everything I could get my hands on. Almost went to divinity school instead of pursuing medicine.
Just curious.
At one time as a younger man, the many incongruities weighed heavily on my mind. I prayed, hoped, even begged, for relief for years. Read everything I could get my hands on. Almost went to divinity school instead of pursuing medicine.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:33 pm to CrimsonTideMD
I did. They gave me a paper so I know what I payed them was worth it.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:38 pm to Stacked
And what do you do for a living these days?
I'm suspicious that you're Joel Osteen IRL
I'm suspicious that you're Joel Osteen IRL
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:44 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Ironic coming from you when you're always talking about how you didn't stick to your own faith
Do you not take new information into consideration and use it to continuously mold what you believe?
Still believing what you believed since you were 5 years old seems like a bigger problem if you asked me.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:47 pm to CrimsonTideMD
I'm a union delegate in construction.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:56 pm to Stacked
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I wouldn't have these sparatic, repressed, calvinistic-fueled aggression outbursts had I not. lol I'd be like the Christians in this thread, I wouldn't care about this stuff, and if ever brought up I'd slap another layer of faith on it. Problem solved.
Which is why I understand that you're bitter, and don't necessarily fault you for it. But as you delve deeper and deeper in to what modern atheists are, and how they act, you have a choice to make. You can mimic their behavior and determine your philosophy in life out of the contradictions and fallacies in the Bible, or you realize that "Faith" isn't just a tool for blindly accepting a fairy tale. It's a tool for upholding what you think is important to you. Let me explain.
Churches do a pretty good job of understanding the value of community, for instance. I'm guessing you're from some fairly rural area of Dixie, so your world view might be a tiny bit limited; but let me let you in on a little secret. The world isn't divided in to Methodists, Baptists, Southern Baptists, Catholics, whatever flavor of the week like 'Church of Christ' is, and non-believers. You may not see them in Chatanooga, but there are Muslims, Mormons, the various Eastern Orthodox Churches, moderate Jews, Orthodox Jews, and a whole host of others. I went to 10 or 15 Bah/Bat Mitzvahs growing up, was the best man(well I wasn't the Koumbaro, but I gave a best man speech damnit) in a Greek wedding, and I have had the fortunate pleasure of calling a Mormon(now ex-Mormon) one of my closest friends in the world. I have never seen an atheist be a part of a community that helped strengthen their own like the Greeks and the Mormons in Dallas have. As far as Mormonism goes, I think that Joseph Smith was a con-man and how they treat gays is despicable, but some of the finest men and women I know have come from that community. The Greeks have their own problems as well, but I admire how much their families love each other. Why is that? Well. Atheists have faith in themselves first. Or, in a way, they have faith that Christianity is wrong, and thus they have less reason to trust the community. Now. They have very good reasons to do this, as Noah didn't put a grizzly bear on a boat for 40 days, but as you become more self aware of your own human nature, you'll start to see that the rejection of a silly story alone isn't a basis for living a fulfilling life. I wish more people would reject the silly stories myself, but I want less people to hate on the idea of religion itself.
Religion is a reflection of human need. It's survival and growth over the millenniums isn't just due to the human need for a bed time story. It's served a vital function in the human condition. Do you want a husband or wife? Do you want to leave a legacy? Do you want to be fulfilled? Do you want to have lasting and fulfilling relationships with friends and family? Do you want to experience community? Do you want to be wealthy? Do you want to be comfortable? How do you want to accomplish these things? Will you back stab and betray your way to happiness? How will you face adversity if those things happen to you?
Spend some time on r/atheism and see how those people act. They are angry, unfulfilled, and don't have hope of ever changing. The echo chamber reinforces their useless circlejerk much like the Church you've grown to hate reinforces their own.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:07 pm to Stacked
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Do you not take new information into consideration and use it to continuously mold what you believe?
Still believing what you believed since you were 5 years old seems like a bigger problem if you asked me.
Even though I don't believe what Tbird, does, don't you see how that is bad arguing there? Or do you think that makes sense? You've set up a ridiculous straw man. No one believes what the believed when they were 5... because they were 5. They had small infant brains. Everyone grows and matures from the point of five, and even things they believed that are true become more complex.
When I was 5, I believed that the sun would rise every day, that cartoons would be on tv, and my mommy would always be there for me when I needed her.
- My understanding of physics helped explain the sun thing, although I couldn't tell you exactly how hydrogen and shite are so bright, and general relativity is kind of tricky to understand.
- I don't know how a tv works, although in my electrical engineering class, I passed the unit on diodes and basic circuitry makes sense, it's kind of like hydraulics. I have a good Korean buddy that produces movies(K Town Cowboys is on DirecTV y'all should watch it) so my understanding of the film and tv industry has grown, and I took a History of Film class as an elective so I learned a bit on that as well.
- As far as a mother's love. I still don't understand it, and I don't appreciate it enough to this day. Call your mom and tell her you love her.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:16 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Even though I don't believe what Tbird, does, don't you see how that is bad arguing there? Or do you think that makes sense? You've set up a ridiculous straw man
We're talking about a specific topic, and I bet if you polled every Christian only in this thread we'd have at least one who was saved at the age of five and is still chugging along never realizing he's never actually questioned a thing.
Instigram moms posting videos of their five yr-olds memorizing scripture, and nodding along with their husband who's talking about how them Muslims are brainwashing their children with the Quran.
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:22 pm to Stacked
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We're talking about a specific topic, and I bet if you polled every Christian only in this thread we'd have at least one who was saved at the age of five and is still chugging along never realizing he's never actually questioned a thing
So?
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Instigram moms posting videos of their five yr-olds memorizing scripture, and nodding along with their husband who's talking about how them Muslims are brainwashing their children with the Quran.
Alright? Why is the worst example of something the only explanation for something? The USSR eliminated Christianity and invoked statewide universal atheism. Who cares?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:46 pm to TeLeFaWx
I care. So much as it affects me. And it does.
I was perfectly fine letting the religious go on with their lives without a peep from me. Like I said, for the majority in America, it can be a pretty sweet life. I understood it. But it's not nice to everyone. So I care. And will continue to. But now making a peep.
I was perfectly fine letting the religious go on with their lives without a peep from me. Like I said, for the majority in America, it can be a pretty sweet life. I understood it. But it's not nice to everyone. So I care. And will continue to. But now making a peep.
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:52 pm to Stacked
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I care. So much as it affects me.
An Instagram post affects you?
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I was perfectly fine letting the religious go on with their lives. Like I said, for the majority in America, it can be a pretty sweet life. I understood it. But it's not nice to everyone. So I care. And will continue for so long as it affects me.
Which is fine. But your methods and your arguments could be more nuanced, less aggressive and accusatory, and could avoid classic logical fallacies.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:54 pm to TeLeFaWx
Yes, Instagram photos is what this is about.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:55 pm to Stacked
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Yes, Instagram photos is what this is about.
It was an example that you yourself provided. Don't get defensive. I'm trying to have a genuine discussion.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:01 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Which is fine. But your methods and your arguments could be more nuanced, less aggressive and accusatory, and could avoid classic logical fallacies.
I like my methods fine. They're 100% accurate and always get to the heart of what I want to get to. A few eggs cracked and better omelettes for the rest of us. The internet killed the religion store. Toothpaste is out of the tube. You could say the Instagram photo has already been uploaded.
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:11 pm to TeLeFaWx
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But your methods and your arguments could be more nuanced, less aggressive and accusatory, and could avoid classic logical fallacies.
Classic logic fails. lol. Sometimes that's what you have to do when the subject's illogical. I couldn't care less about the aggressiveness and "accusatory" method of discussing these things. The time has long since gone when I cared what other people would end up believing after speaking to me. I couldn't give a damn anymore.
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:12 pm to Stacked
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I like my methods fine. They're 100% accurate and always get to the heart of what I want to get to.
You have used plenty of logical fallacies, and hyperbole and straw man arguments aren't 100% accurate. That's factually impossible. Speaking in generalities and absolutes doesn't mean you're getting to the heart of the issue at all. It means you're taking short cuts.
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A few eggs cracked and better omelettes for the rest of us.
Maybe. I think your methods will convert less people, which is worse for me, but that's just my opinion.
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The internet killed the religion store. Toothpaste is out of the tube.
Agreed. But proving that the Bible is a fairy tale doesn't solve all problems, or much of any at all.
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You could say the Instagram photo has already been uploaded.
I don't know what this means.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:13 pm to Stacked
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Classic logic fails. lol. Sometimes that's what you have to do when the subject's illogical.
No. You use logic to disprove the illogical. Take a step back. Just because you feel righteous in the subject matter, that doesn't mean you're impervious to making mistakes or bad arguments.
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