re: hobby lobby FB page

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It bothers me that we granted constitutional rights to businesses. I think that's a can of worms.

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They shouldn't have had to go to court to begin with. The ACA strips away constitutional rights from individuals, does that bother you?

If it's "your body, your choice", then you shouldn't have voted for the guy who wants the government to make that choice for you.

To he fair, Robert's tax argument is convoluted as all hell.

The provision which requires a penalty payment be made in the event of no individual coverage, passed through both houses of congress, as part and parcel of the ACA.

The ACA itself is not considered a tax, the provision is a tax penalty. The ruling was that a tax provision is constitutional. Therefore, as part and parcel of the ACA. The ACA is completely within constitutional boundaries.

If it wasn't, there would be another case presenting itself.

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think that's what bothers me about the whole thing. They cloak it in "religious freedom" for PR purposes and the masses buy in. But most of their products come from china, where abortion is state enforced. And their moral compass doesn't seem to have a problem supporting that country's policies and economy with their purchases.

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No one would ever buy anything if they refused to do business with those they do not agree with.

HL stated that they did not want to pay for murder. Which is their RELIGIOUS belief. Libs love spouting off about separation of church and state, guess they do not like it when the government cannot get someone to support the killing of babies.

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I just don't like the precedent of establishing corporations as people with rights,

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion as it applies to people, can make laws respecting religion regarding businesses.

Dagnabit, I should have read further.....

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Using that same argument, the choice to use certain birth control measures are at the direction of the employee and her doctor.

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I agree, and they can use any of them they want. Just like I can go have plastic surgery if I want, but my employer will not be paying for it.

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Libs love spouting off about separation of church and state, guess they do not like it when the government cannot get someone to support the killing of babies.

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IUD's kill babies?

Doesn't it bother any of yall that SCOTUS basically just gave Hobby Lobby greater religious liberties than individuals? There are years and years of precedent of laws affecting the exercise of peoples' religion being upheld. So can anyone opt of Obamacare for religious reasons now, or is SCOTUS going to take it upon itself to pick and choose what kind of religious beliefs can exempt you? Or maybe only certain government programs are violate-y enough to do it? Sure, Alito said that this case only applies to birth control issues and does not address vaccines and the like, but you can bet that the argument's not going to stop there. I just don't see how you can say "you can be exempt to protect your religious freedoms," and limit that discussion to just birth control since it implicates sooo many more beliefs.

I think Obamacare was a horrible idea that has obviously been horribly implemented, but I think there a lot of logical gymnastics went into this decision. Just my .02.

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So can anyone opt of Obamacare for religious reasons now, or is SCOTUS going to take it upon itself to pick and choose what kind of religious beliefs can exempt you?

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That's the danger of the ruling. Next thing you know, some company run by faith healers will argue their rights are being infringed by having to cover insurance at all. They only believe in the power of prayer. It's hard to wiggle around the logic.

The good news is the ruling was very narrow on who was covered. Privately owned companies with one family owning a majority share.

Is is it weird that the best write up I have seen of this ruling was done by the what would tyler burden do website (which I obviously can't link to)?

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I hate partisan politics. It always boils down to people ranting about shite they haven’t read or know little about before they start waving signs and making apocalyptic Facebook status updates. End of the world! Some chick who works at a art and crafts store might have to pay for her own morning after pills! Red alert! frick the blue planet! Mother Gaia, lightning bolt us now!

Hobby Lobby, which before this week I would’ve told you was the name of a fetish sex shop, turns out to be a bunch of picture framing and doodads stores run by a devoutly Christian family who detests abortion. They don’t hide their religious beliefs. They flaunt them. They buy ads in the paper under their name pushing Christ and salvation. They close their doors on Sundays just to honor their religious principles. Last I checked, people don’t have to work there, or shop there, or insert their IUDs in their employee restrooms. But women’s rights groups got super pissed when Hobby Lobby used a Clinton era law designed to allow workers some religious freedom in the office place to say they weren’t going to subsidize their employees denying life to their sperm fertilized eggs. Hobby Lobby still offered to pay for preventative birth control pills, just not the post conception stuff. The employees can still get all the contraceptives they want from the insurance company, Hobby Lobby just doesn’t want their family Jesus money paying for it. The Supreme Court said, yeah, that seems like a fair religious exception in the private workplace.

Now, angry women and the men who find joy in loving them who pushed for the government to make private companies responsible for worker healthcare and contraceptives are yelling about keeping their bosses out of their bedroom. Who did you think you was coming into your bedroom? Glynda, the good healthcare witch who’d carry free morning after pills and IUDs in a cute tote and have a Chamomile tea with you while you shared menstrual cramping stories? Everybody wants it both ways. The right, the left, the whatever. There doesn’t seem to be any self-reflection on the hypocrisy of it all. It’s completely dishonest debate ramped up until shrill talking points and mantras. Maybe I’m just old enough to remember when you knocked a girl up and it was your problem. I’m so fricking ready for that lightning bolt. Bring it on.

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