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re: Global Warming: It's not science, its propaganda.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:43 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:43 pm to MIZ_COU
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Pollution is good for you, it makes you grow up big and strong.
Pollution and carbon dioxide are not the same.
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burn something or throw it in a landfill
Better for the environment than recycling it, with the exception of Aluminum.
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Americans sitting in a giant traffic jams cause roses to proliferate by the side of the rode which people then shove up their asses to make their shite smell like flowers.
Much better to make all cars electric so we can increase demand for coal produced electricity.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm skeptical of man's effect on the climate, but we are warming up. People either forget or don't know that we are still technically returning to baseline from the last ice age.
That baseline can be pretty damn warm. Lots of circumstances affect the baseline, too. Depending on where the solar system is in its orbit about the Great Black Hole, the degree of wobble of the earth in its orbit about the sun, and other solar and extrasolar conditions, the average temperature of earth's surface over a very long period of time can achieve extremes. The range can be from a "snowball earth," where everything is frozen to a planet with no ice on it whatsoever.
There are many natural factors that influence the climate right here on earth, too. Volcanic activity, plant growth and natural disasters can dramatically affect the earth's climate.
Mankind is influencing climate, also. To deny that we are polluting the air, land and oceans of earth to a severe degree is just irresponsible.
Deforestation of the land is rampant and ever-increasing.
Borneo Example
Pollution of the air.
The Contrail Effect
Pollution of the oceans.
Part of the "pollution continent" floating in the Pacific. It's the size of Texas.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:38 pm to Kentucker
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Part of the "pollution continent" floating in the Pacific. It's the size of Texas.
And this is the type of thing that takes credibility away.
The Pacific garbage patch that is 'the size of Texas' doesn't look like the photo in your post.
It doesn't show up on satellite photos. Most of it you don't see if you're sailing right through it on a ship.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:56 pm to JustGetItRight
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And this is the type of thing that takes credibility away. The Pacific garbage patch that is 'the size of Texas' doesn't look like the photo in your post. It doesn't show up on satellite photos. Most of it you don't see if you're sailing right through it on a ship.
Yes, I could have chosen a better example to represent the "pollution continent." My error, however, doesn't diminish its existence or its effects on marine life.
I don't base what I think on what I see on message boards. However, I do sometimes choose to explore issues that I'm not familiar with, and message boards such as this one can be a rich source of ideas.
After a lot of personal research, I'm convinced that the amount of pollution being generated by mankind is having a significant effect on the earth's ecosystem.
I also don't think it will abate until the damage begins to kill humans.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 4:30 pm to cokebottleag
I 100% believe natural climate change is a thing. I don't believe humans have remotely close to the amount of influence on it as some would have us believe.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 4:46 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Deadliest Tornado Outbreak in Decades Was Fueled by Smoke From Land Clearing
This National Geographic article shows the dramatic effect that deforestation can have.
This National Geographic article shows the dramatic effect that deforestation can have.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 5:04 pm to Henry Jones Jr
If any here haven't stumbled into LINK / you might want to give it a look. It's a no doubt skeptic site, but I think fair. And Anthony Watts uses my software, so I like him. 
Posted on 2/11/15 at 6:19 pm to cokebottleag
That article is a crock of shite. All temperature data at weather stations is adjusted. There's no conspiracy going on here. Raw temperature data could be biased high or low and needs to be adjusted regardless of which bias. Climate scientists adjust the raw data to take into account factors that may have biased it. That's it.
After a very quick search here's four different articles that refute him: LINK LINK LINK LINK
After a very quick search here's four different articles that refute him: LINK LINK LINK LINK
Posted on 2/11/15 at 7:53 pm to cokebottleag
I think common sense people knew this already.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:27 pm to finestfirst79
quote:If WUWT is your barometer for a "fair" skeptic site, what do you consider a "fair" proponent site?
It's a no doubt skeptic site, but I think fair.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:29 pm to Iosh
Stop trying to polish this global warming turd. YOU'RE WRONG, YOU KNOW YOU'RE WRONG, NOW JUST STAND THERE IN YOUR WRONGNESS AND BE WRONG.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Why don't I ever see you on the poliboard any more?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:17 am to Iosh
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Why don't I ever see you on the poliboard any more?
I'm laying low. Too easy to get banned there.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:02 am to Kentucker
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This National Geographic article shows the dramatic effect that deforestation can have.
The article makes it pretty clear that the link is unproven.
Also, they burn their fields every year. Just like they do in Kansas, its not specifically deforestation.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:01 am to cokebottleag
I live in Indonesia. There is pretty serious deforestation going on here and been going on for awhile. Most of the natural jungle has been burned to the ground and replaced with palm oil plantations.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 3:02 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:50 am to cokebottleag
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Also, they burn their fields every year. Just like they do in Kansas, its not specifically deforestation.
But that's just it. Burning, especially at the scale humans are doing it, is pumping dramatic amounts of particulates into the atmosphere. We should expect some influence upon weather patterns from this source of pollution.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 6:09 am to Kentucker
The scale humans burn fields is actually at a greatly reduced level than nature. California has major problems with fires because they have halted the natural pattern of forest fires and let their "virgin forests" over grow so badly.
Large burns are not only part of nature, they are required. Prairie fires and forest fires are naturally a LOT bigger than what we let happen. Controlled burning is good environmental management, no matter what the greenies want everyone to think.
Large burns are not only part of nature, they are required. Prairie fires and forest fires are naturally a LOT bigger than what we let happen. Controlled burning is good environmental management, no matter what the greenies want everyone to think.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:06 am to cokebottleag
I love you, coke, but I really think you're underestimating the amount of human-produced air pollution, including burning for clearing land. I know controlled burning is useful for regenerating forests and for preparing agricultural land, but it's the amount being burned that's problematical.
When we combine natural fires with the incredible amount of land clearing by humans, the new studies of their effects on weather patterns are showing disturbing evidence. Brazil is busily clearing the Amazon River basin at an alarming rate. Indonesia is clearing their jungle forests quicker than any other nation, infuriating their neighbor nations with the incredible amount of smoke and smog they generate.
My concern is not climate change. Earth's climate fluctuates. Rather, I think air, land and water pollutants will cause us more immediate problems. I think the new studies, such as that by NatGeo, will show that we need to give a lot more attention to pollution of the earth.
When we combine natural fires with the incredible amount of land clearing by humans, the new studies of their effects on weather patterns are showing disturbing evidence. Brazil is busily clearing the Amazon River basin at an alarming rate. Indonesia is clearing their jungle forests quicker than any other nation, infuriating their neighbor nations with the incredible amount of smoke and smog they generate.
My concern is not climate change. Earth's climate fluctuates. Rather, I think air, land and water pollutants will cause us more immediate problems. I think the new studies, such as that by NatGeo, will show that we need to give a lot more attention to pollution of the earth.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:09 am to cokebottleag
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The scale humans burn fields is actually at a greatly reduced level than nature. California has major problems with fires because they have halted the natural pattern of forest fires and let their "virgin forests" over grow so badly.
Large burns are not only part of nature, they are required. Prairie fires and forest fires are naturally a LOT bigger than what we let happen. Controlled burning is good environmental management, no matter what the greenies want everyone to think.
Thank you for posting this.
We are one volcanic eruption from entering into a period of global cooling. Just wait. It'll happen.
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