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re: Gender Choice for kids
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:42 pm to Numberwang
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:42 pm to Numberwang
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I have heard parents talking about their kids being "gay" or trans before the kid hits puberty.
I grew up with one specific kid that was absolutely gay at that age. We're talking 8, 9, 10 years old. He was incredibly effeminate and pretty much only wanted to hang out/play with girls. You just knew. He finally came out when we got to high school, but he was absolutely a pre-pubescent gay male.
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:29 pm to kage
That assumes effeminate is equal to gay. In such a situation, could there be a possibility of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:53 pm to kage
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I grew up with one specific kid that was absolutely gay at that age. We're talking 8, 9, 10 years old.
I grew up with a similar guy. A predisposition to being effeminate and/or attracted to other men has to be genetic based on my experience with this guy. But it doesn't make him a chick.
And that's my problem with all of this. Nobody knows what it feels like to be anyone else - male or female? There is no other point of reference. If you have a shlong, then however you feel is what a MALE feels like. If you still feel driven to buck the societal trends for your gender, more power to you. But you are still a dude. Don't ask me to use feminine pronouns to describe you.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:58 pm to the808bass
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That assumes effeminate is equal to gay. In such a situation, could there be a possibility of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Then the assumption would be that someone is only straight because they were told they should be. Which I don't think is the case.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:00 pm to TeLeFaWx
No, it doesn't.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:01 pm to 3nOut
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i'm a black muslim female. never mind my penis, melanin deficient skin. give me the free minority stuff.
Would you like the free beheading, the free genital mutilation, or both?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:02 pm to the808bass
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No, it doesn't.
You are saying someone's sexuality can be a product of self fulfilling prophecy, aren't you? Why would that only apply to homosexuality?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 5:37 pm to OBReb6
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and then pretend nothing happened when they end up killing themselves a few years later (which happens, what, 50% of the time or so?)
Yep. It's sad.
If only it happened 100% of the time
Posted on 4/22/15 at 5:54 pm to tigerdup07
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a fetus has two harmones while in the womb. we know these to be estrogen and testosterone. one takes over the other and the sex is determined for the fetus while in the womb. however, in some cases, one doesn't finish the job completely. that's when you have a confusion for these kids whenever they grow older. in some cases, females can even be born with a penis (hermaphrodites). this is a clear case of the estrogen not finishing the job.
It isn't as simplistic as your synopsis indicates but hormones certainly play a role in the physical and mental expression of gender.
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while most will say that it's a choice to be gay, they are very much uninformed. I do believe, however, that some may choose whenever he/she may have had a bad experience in life.
While some people might react this way to sexual trauma, they were probably born bisexual. I doubt very much that a super heterosexual could be made to prefer the same sex under any circumstances, for example.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 5:59 pm to Aux Arc
If you're born with a dick you're a guy, if you're born with a pussy you're a girl. Simple ain't it
Posted on 4/22/15 at 6:34 pm to the808bass
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quote: Is there any evidence that letting a male child dress up in women's clothes is psychologically damaging? No. Pretending it means anything is where the psychological damage comes in.
Exactly.
Kids may dress up, play with opposite-gender toys, even experiment a little by playing doctor or something like it. None of that means they are transgender, or gay. They are kids, being curious kids, just playing around. It could mean something, but most of the time means nothing.
I believe there are transgender cases that are legit. And I believe homosexuality is not commonly a "choice", but rather a predisposition. But making this transgender business so mainstream is just confusing for most of the kids out there. And anyone who would let their child make a life-altering decision when they are still a CHILD is committing child abuse, IMO. Let them grow up and decide for themselves when they are done with the hormone-riddled puberty years.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:48 pm to Masterag
I believe there is something like chimerism, but I think it is extraordinarily rare. Gender identity issues are at least most of the time, psychological disturbances, IMO.
Did something happen to the little girl that led her to over-identify with her father or reject her identity as "just another girl" in the family with three girls?
Regardless, 4 years of age is far too young to assign a child its non-biological gender. The mom seems awfully dramatic to me. Something is wrong.
Did something happen to the little girl that led her to over-identify with her father or reject her identity as "just another girl" in the family with three girls?
Regardless, 4 years of age is far too young to assign a child its non-biological gender. The mom seems awfully dramatic to me. Something is wrong.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:50 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You are saying someone's sexuality can be a product of self fulfilling prophecy, aren't you? Why would that only apply to homosexuality?
That's not exactly what I said or implied. A cultural assumption that effeminate behavior or even aesthetic awareness is linked to sexuality (both of which are in ample evidence in our society) could lead to some people assuming that was true. I don't know why that's hard to understand.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:18 am to the808bass
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That assumes effeminate is equal to gay. In such a situation, could there be a possibility of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
The fact that he admitted he was gay by the time he got to high school proves that we knew he was gay earlier in life. My guess as to why he waited was because he was ridiculed and bullied constantly for the way he acted when he was younger and was afraid to do so until he felt comfortable enough to come out. Talk about a cultural assumption.
Being effeminate is not a sure sign that someone is gay, but there was very little he did that would be considered "boyish" behavior. I can't ever say what exactly was going on in his head, but my guess is that he felt like a woman inside. This is the kind of person you see/meet and immediately think....ok, this guy's gay. And for someone as young as he was to act like that all the time, there's just no question in my mind that it wasn't something self fulfilling.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:11 pm to kage
I have an uncle who has been living as a female for rough 20 years. There is absolutely something that was off from day one. However, there are things in life which magnify inconsistencies. For example, as a small child my uncle was skinny with light skin and curly, almost girlish hair. When my second, younger uncle was born chunky and strong. the first thing someone said at church was "now that is what a real boy looks like". This took a pontential predisposition, and twisted it farther. Combine that with influence from a woman who was a practicing Wiccan, who made her son and my uncle "play" together when they were 5 or 6 years old. It really screwed him up. It was the 60s, kids just left the house and hung out with friends, his parents had no idea until he was older what had happened.
if it feels good do it parenting and societal influences have influenced thousands of kids and teens into thinking this is normal. It isn't simply an argument of something was off at the beginning. If we look at every single trans, there was something in their life that pushed them this way.
Same thing goes for homosexuality, while I believe there is a metaphysical predisposition, a child playing with toys of, or colored for the opposite sex mean nothing. I saw a post from a woman once saying "My son is 7 years old and gay. If anyone does anything to hurt him or damage his dreams, I will destroy you". I did paraphrase a bit there. My point is this, that statement is self fulfilling prophecy. She WANTS him to be gay, so she is taking any queue she can to make that belief seem real. When he reaches puberty, either her influence will make him like boys, he will grow up to be gay,or he tells her "mother, I think I like girls". If it is that last one, she will hate him because he is a gay man and is only saying he is straight to give in to society. She is one example, but I see it all the time in this screwed up world.
if it feels good do it parenting and societal influences have influenced thousands of kids and teens into thinking this is normal. It isn't simply an argument of something was off at the beginning. If we look at every single trans, there was something in their life that pushed them this way.
Same thing goes for homosexuality, while I believe there is a metaphysical predisposition, a child playing with toys of, or colored for the opposite sex mean nothing. I saw a post from a woman once saying "My son is 7 years old and gay. If anyone does anything to hurt him or damage his dreams, I will destroy you". I did paraphrase a bit there. My point is this, that statement is self fulfilling prophecy. She WANTS him to be gay, so she is taking any queue she can to make that belief seem real. When he reaches puberty, either her influence will make him like boys, he will grow up to be gay,or he tells her "mother, I think I like girls". If it is that last one, she will hate him because he is a gay man and is only saying he is straight to give in to society. She is one example, but I see it all the time in this screwed up world.
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