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re: Frontline: Benjamin Netanyahu

Posted on 1/10/16 at 4:30 pm to
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 4:30 pm to
I'm curious why, in your opinion, Jews have been persecuted by every people they've ever encountered.

If everybody on the block hates your guts, maybe it isn't because everybody on the block are crazy assholes.

Maybe it's you.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37605 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 4:35 pm to
Okay Kentucker ... I was with you on everything, right up until this post.

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There are less than 15 million Jews worldwide. About 6.5 million of them live on a speck of land, Israel, that is one fifth the size of Kentucky. As many Jews live in America as do in Israel.


Actually, there are more Jews living in the United States these days, than Israel.

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On all sides of their tiny country reside some 200 million Muslims, many of whom are dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Jews living in Israel must be constantly prepared for war.


Absolutely 100% correct. But let's be honest, and I lived in Tel Aviv long enough to know. There are many many many far left wing liberal Jews who believe they should completely open their doors to the Palestinians, et al, thinking everything will be hunky dory if they do.

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The small number of Jews in the world reflects thousands of years of persecution and slaughter of this tiny minority. In effect, evolutionary survival of the fittest has produced the most intelligent group of people on earth. Einstein, for example, the greatest intellect ever to live, was a product of this selection process.


You're going a bit off track here .... possibly because of the brainwashing, I dunno. Jews, genetically and socially speaking, are no more, or less, intelligent than any other northern hemispheric race. For that matter, no race at all. Remember, Jews are Jews because of their religion, not where their race originates from. Although the Russian Jews do consider themselves more intelligent than all others ... but we'd have to get into a discussion about the whole Aliyah, the Zionist movement by the The Hovevei Zion.

That is where the genesis of communism also may be found.

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We can say that Judaism, because of this shaping by human evolution, is more than a religion now. Selection for intelligence has produced a people who have to be one step ahead of their enemies at all times to survive.


"more of a religion?" Some say the same thing about Islam ... on every count you just mentioned.

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I personally think this is why technology is advancing at break-neck speed here in the 21st century. Discoveries in physics are so frequent that it is nearly impossible to follow every development.

Jewish intellect is at the heart of these discoveries. Their contributions to science, in all areas, are indispensable.


Ummmmmm .... I do not agree with you there. Jewish intellectualism is at the heart of global finance, yes. The new world order, yes. Socialism and communism, yes. And yes, they have certainly contributed mightily to science, the arts, etc. They own the main stream media and Hollywood. But they have no exclusivity when it comes to modern breakthroughs in physics or technology.

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I think, while it's horrible how it happened, the inadvertent eugenics forced upon the Jews over the past few thousand years is a positive for the human species as a whole.


In some ways, maybe. Probably not though. Yet this is where the whole Jewish/Islamic discussion usually goes off-course.

Islam has certainly produced its share of great minds over the centuries, as has Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

In all honesty, the greatest scientific and technological minds in the world right now are probably to be found in Asia. And no religion or peoples has been more persecuted, over the ages, than Buddhism and their Buddhists.

Where Israel and the Jews are having their issues right now is in the world court of public opinion. And it has little to nothing to do with religion. It has to do with influence. It has to do with perception. It has to do with their own playbook being used against them by some very intelligent groups who want to see them run-out of the middle east. It's a clash of societies, plain and simple.
Posted by JombieZombie
Member since Nov 2009
7687 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:40 pm to
Fear monger that Americans love but can't tell you why.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:07 pm to
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I'm curious why, in your opinion, Jews have been persecuted by every people they've ever encountered.


Judaism, which is 3,500 years old, is the oldest of the monotheistic religions. LINK

I'm not a theist but I would guess that when a group starts saying there is only one God and that He has chosen them as his favorite, other groups might become hostile.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35609 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:13 pm to
How about they have typically been minority groups and history isn't kind to minority groups.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:57 pm to
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Actually, there are more Jews living in the United States these days, than Israel.


There's no precise count of Jewish-Americans but the popular idea is that the numbers in Israel and America are roughly equivalent.

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There are many many many far left wing liberal Jews who believe they should completely open their doors to the Palestinians, et al, thinking everything will be hunky dory if they do.


Fortunately there are more who know that the Palestinians would cut their children's throats if given the opportunity.

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You're going a bit off track here .... possibly because of the brainwashing, I dunno. Jews, genetically and socially speaking, are no more, or less, intelligent than any other northern hemispheric race.


I don't think so. Since I don't use the term race the way you, or most others do, it's difficult for me to respond to your comment.

Suffice it to say that I absolutely think that modern Jews are the survivors of very long term persecution. The most intelligent have lived and have logically oriented to professions of high complexity and profitability.

Just in physics, my area of interest, a Jewish presence is overwhelming. I sincerely think we would not be nearly as advanced if not for their contributions.

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"more of a religion?" Some say the same thing about Islam ... on every count you just mentioned


I said "more than a religion." There have been no extreme selection pressures on Muslims as there have been with Jews. World population counts show this. 1 billion+ Muslims compared to 15 million Jews is a rather stark difference in numbers.

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Jewish intellectualism is at the heart of global finance, yes. The new world order, yes. Socialism and communism, yes.


I don't know how to respond to this except to say that I just don't see the evidence.

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But they have no exclusivity when it comes to modern breakthroughs in physics or technology.


Exclusivity, no, but I think it's fair to say the states of physics and technology would be greatly lacking if not for their contributions.

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In all honesty, the greatest scientific and technological minds in the world right now are probably to be found in Asia.


Silicon Valley, MIT and Geneva would strongly disagree with your assessment.

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Where Israel and the Jews are having their issues right now is in the world court of public opinion. And it has little to nothing to do with religion. It has to do with influence. It has to do with perception.


Yes. This is what I mean when I say that Judaism is more than a religion. I think history shows that the Jewish population has been whittled down to the smartest and most capable.

Some people would say that the Jews consider themselves to be more intelligent than other groups. I contend that they are, in fact, superior because of historical pressures to survive.

It's human nature to resent those who regard themselves as superior even if that regard originated in the minds of those who are offended.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:39 pm to
Fascinating topic guys. Great input.


BTW, like Bibi's politics or not you HAVE to respect his convictions for standing up for his country like his does with no apologies to anyone. That's the definition of a competent leader.


Our leader is such a flaming pussy is why guys like Bibi and Putin get the love they do around here.
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