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re: E-Cigarettes And The Bizarre Fear Mongering
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's cool. I was curious if you had.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:45 pm to Duke
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People switching to the stuff that we know causes cancer because...
Because the nicotine effect of e-cigarettes pales in comparison to the real thing. Many of the additives and carcinogens in cigarettes are expressly for the purpose of increasing delivery of nicotine to the brain. Smokers like them because it delivers nicotine and satisfies the oral fixation that develops after years of smoking, but they all say it isn't nearly the same.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The concern is that it will lead to a spike in smokers as the younger generation gets hooked on nicotine through a sort of "gateway" form of smoking.
I WILL NOT allow you to Klarvin e cigs like you Klarvin'ed porn. YOU HEAR ME ROGER???
By God you will act civilized even if you ain't.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:47 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I don't have an opinion on them at all, but as a doctor in training I am obligated to tell you to stop fricking smoking 
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
I know that to be true as a former smoker. The concern is e-cigs being a gateway though correct? If you've never had the real thing, why would you switch to the thing that causes cancer?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
What about Weed? Has it never caused issues and does it actually cure lung cancers?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:58 pm to SDVTiger
Weed slightly increases your risks of interstitial lung disease but most people don't smoke pot enough or consistently enough over the course of years for that to truly be an issue.
The only really notable health issue is psychological issues in teens and young adults. Kids who start smoking pot in their teens and have a family history of mental health issues have a significantly increased risk of schizophrenia.
The only really notable health issue is psychological issues in teens and young adults. Kids who start smoking pot in their teens and have a family history of mental health issues have a significantly increased risk of schizophrenia.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:00 pm to Duke
Probably the same reason people who smoke weed or drink alcohol regularly are statistically more likely to try other drugs. Once you get a "high" of sorts, it heightens the desire for such sensations and new experiences in many people.
I know that I had no desire at all to try weed or pain meds until I started drinking regularly in college. Never tried any of the hard stuff though, too much of a pussy.
I know that I had no desire at all to try weed or pain meds until I started drinking regularly in college. Never tried any of the hard stuff though, too much of a pussy.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's not crazy...look forward to what studies bear out on the subject.
ETA: your story could be as much the experimentation of college as the drinking.
ETA: your story could be as much the experimentation of college as the drinking.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:06 pm to Duke
All I know is several hydro + weed is about as good as it gets
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
You're making me miss my early 20s so much right now.
Oxycodone + a bowl is better imo. Only upside of that kidney stone.
Oxycodone + a bowl is better imo. Only upside of that kidney stone.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:18 pm to Duke
I'm honestly lucky I didn't do some serious damage. My last semester my roommate found a half bottle of vicodin he had leftover from a surgery the semester before. We took quite a few each throughout the day and were drinking while watching football.
Knowing what I know now about Tylenol + alcohol, I cant believe I didn't fry my liver that day.
Knowing what I know now about Tylenol + alcohol, I cant believe I didn't fry my liver that day.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:25 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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This makes no sense
It makes perfect sense from the perspective of detractors. The image is what they are concerned about. They absolutely don't want e-cigs to become an acceptable, even disirable alternative that keeps the image of smoking as something cool for the younger generations.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:32 pm to Duke
anybody who smokes an e-cig is a douche. just sayin...
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:08 am to Pavoloco83
I made the switch last year, and its not the same but at the same time I'm happy I don't have to deal with ash and the fact that cigarette smoke sticks to your clothes and smells like shite, sometimes.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:57 am to Duke
They are concerned about e-cigs as it is causing more people to smoke as some see it advertised as a healthy thing or at least not detrimental.
I don't care what any study says, inhaling shite into your lungs constantly is certainly not healthy although some may choose to do it.
For me personally, I am curious what kind of metal or plastic is getting effected when the e-cigs heat up to vaporize the shite or whatever they do and if those materials release and latent vapors.
I don't care what any study says, inhaling shite into your lungs constantly is certainly not healthy although some may choose to do it.
For me personally, I am curious what kind of metal or plastic is getting effected when the e-cigs heat up to vaporize the shite or whatever they do and if those materials release and latent vapors.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:57 am to Duke
You should just go ahead and make the jump to heroin.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:10 am to CheeseburgerEddie
The metal just has to heat up enough to vaporize the liquid. Those temps vary but I'm fairly sure (don't have BPs in front of me) it is close to water. The metal resistor isn't going to degrade at such a low temperature. Plastics could be a concern at those temperatures but if you've used one, the chamber is made of some sort of metal. Outside contamination from the materials that make it seem unlikely.
Oh and I do agree making them seem perfectly safe shouldn't be allowed in adverts. It's still addictive and it's almost certainly not equal with inhaling nothing. It beats the cloud of benzene and other carcinogens in tobacco smoke.
I think these e-cigs have room to be a helpful tool, but would be swayed by evidence to the contrary.
Oh and I do agree making them seem perfectly safe shouldn't be allowed in adverts. It's still addictive and it's almost certainly not equal with inhaling nothing. It beats the cloud of benzene and other carcinogens in tobacco smoke.
I think these e-cigs have room to be a helpful tool, but would be swayed by evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:31 am to Duke
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The American Cancer Society has no stake in that game though. It's almost as if they are worried if cancer rates start dropping some of their funding would dry up. That can't be it though, can it?
I had the misfortune of spending a few years with the American Cancer Society. During my time there, I was part of high level discussions on strategic direction. John Seffrin (CEO) privately tried to advance the idea that the future of cancer fighting was more about advocacy (controlling behavior through legislation) than research. He feels that cancer cure rates are about as high as they can get, and continuing to pour money into research is a waste.
We pushed the anti-smoking laws in various states (California, Illinois, etc), and threw MASSIVE amounts of money behind Obamacare. There is a sister organization, ACS CAN, that serves as the main advocacy lobbying group, but many donors have no clue that a sizeable part of money given via Relay For Life will go to lobbying as well.
Next up on the agenda? Obesity. The ACS is hell bent on passing laws, similar to the anti-smoking campaigns, that will restrict or outright prohibit certain foods and drinks.
This is a nasty, wasteful organization that purports to be working for good. They no doubt do some good on occasion, but your money should go elsewhere.
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:41 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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This is a nasty, wasteful organization that purports to be working for good.
I've worked indirectly with a few large, non-profits and that is the feeling I get with all of them. All of the ones I've worked with do actually do some good, but I'd say on average only about 30% of their budget goes to that good, the rest to overhead and lobbying.
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