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Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:57 pm to CatFan81
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:57 pm to CatFan81
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Well, I don't think that we have the right to tell any of those groups that they shouldn't be able to do any of those things, sans the athletes, as those rules are regulated by their employer.
Terminal patients should be able to end their lives. People should be able to use whatever substances they want as long as they aren't harming others. The drinking age should be the same as it is in Europe. The age to use tobacco is dumb too, if you want to be gross and smell like crap.
Just a lot of the government trying to control the lives of it's people.
I agree with all of this. My point was that there is nobody holding rallies and calling people sexist pigs because physician assisted suicide is illegal or because the drinking age is 21. As a society we tolerate those rules even if we disagree with them (and I do).
Suggest we do anything to restrict abortion and people will demonize you the same as if you said slavery was ok.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:58 pm to CatFan81
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Men could be a little more responsible as well. It takes two.
So why don't men get a say in the abortion process if this is the case? Why can't a man just abandon his child because he doesn't want it regardless of what the mother thinks?
Also, no, as the woman you are the one who physically deals with the child and you a lone choose who you have sex with and whether to use birth control. You have control over your own reproductive systems, you're an independent, critically thinking, decision making human being (supposedly). So the whole "it takes two" is a cop out. It really takes one.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:59 pm to CatFan81
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That's a pretty damned expensive form of birth control.
Cheaper than having a baby.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:00 pm to CatFan81
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Men could be a little more responsible as well. It takes two.
Agreed. That being said, women are the gatekeepers to sexuality in our western society.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:00 pm to Manzielathon
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Also, no, as the woman you are the one who physically deals with the child and you a lone choose who you have sex with and whether to use birth control. You have control over your own reproductive systems, you're an independent, critically thinking, decision making human being (supposedly). So the whole "it takes two" is a cop out. It really takes one.
So we're totally absolving men of any responsibility. Brillant.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:03 pm to BluegrassBelle
I like how you specifically addressed something that I said that you disagree with. Oh, you didn't.
I'm saying it's a fricking cop out either way you look at it.
You should be more responsible if you're finding yourself in positions where you are extinguishing a potential human life because you couldn't think long term.
I'm saying it's a fricking cop out either way you look at it.
You should be more responsible if you're finding yourself in positions where you are extinguishing a potential human life because you couldn't think long term.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:04 pm to CatFan81
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When a woman is forced to have a child that she doesn't want because abortion isn't available of she's scared of being scorned for her decisions... well, she's likely going to resent the child. You can't resent a child and be a good parent.
And this speaks only to the woman's lack of character and personal responsibility, not to any deficiency on the part of the baby who is the only one suffering in the abortion scenario.
We should not support abortion merely because some people lack certain desirable personality traits. There needs to be a better reason, such as a life bring treatened.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:04 pm to Manzielathon
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You should be more responsible if you're finding yourself in positions where you are extinguishing a potential human life because you couldn't think long term.
You realize that birth control isn't perfect, right? None of it is perfect. You can be as safe as possible, barring abstinence, and still find yourself in a bad situation.
It only takes one bullet in the chamber at the right time.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So we're totally absolving men of any responsibility. Brillant.
Hell, I can't even get the clothes sorted right for the laundry lady<
Damn right were irresponsible; mother, wives, girl friends, (in nor order) have ingrained this into us since birth<
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:08 pm to Manzielathon
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Also, no, as the woman you are the one who physically deals with the child and you a lone choose who you have sex with and whether to use birth control. You have control over your own reproductive systems, you're an independent, critically thinking, decision making human being (supposedly). So the whole "it takes two" is a cop out. It really takes one.
Men can still be sexually responsible by taking care not to contract STDs, wear condoms and most importantly supporting the woman and the child if a pregnancy does result.
Many abortions are due to single women fearing for their finances. Men can help with this.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:08 pm to Manzielathon
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You should be more responsible if you're finding yourself in positions where you are extinguishing a potential human life because you couldn't think long term.
And I'd say the same thing for a man who bitches about paying child support later when he didn't have a problem where he was dipping his wick.
As said, it takes two. There's a lack of responsibility across the board. But by all means, put it all on the woman.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:09 pm to BarberitosDawg
Yeah, Im 26 and in training to be a doctor and my wife is still convinced I'd kill a child if left alone with it for 20 minutes
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
First, how many abortions are due to birth control not working vs irresponsibility? Promise you the later far out numbers the former.
Also, you're talking to someone who experienced multiple pregnancy scares with my SO, even when using BC, and was each and every time ready to accept my potential new fate as a father at the age of 19. Only to find our after the last one that at no point in time was she ever planning on keeping it.
We're no longer together.
People need to grow up, the government doesn't need to be encouraging irresponsibility.
Also, you're talking to someone who experienced multiple pregnancy scares with my SO, even when using BC, and was each and every time ready to accept my potential new fate as a father at the age of 19. Only to find our after the last one that at no point in time was she ever planning on keeping it.
We're no longer together.
People need to grow up, the government doesn't need to be encouraging irresponsibility.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And I'd say the same thing for a man who bitches about paying child support later when he didn't have a problem where he was dipping his wick.
As said, it takes two. There's a lack of responsibility across the board. But by all means, put it all on the woman.
That's about five separate threads in those paragraphs.
I just don't advocate for mandated (mindless) testing on my dime while making a few beneficiary's rich and gaining little too no results from it all.
You always see rampant kickbacks and abuse when mandate's are involved.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:19 pm to sorantable
what is ob?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:24 pm to Manzielathon
People need to grow up in a lot of respects, but unfortunately those same people are not the ones in our current system who end up paying for their mistakes. I'd rather not be paying for more welfare babies and working with children with disabilities simply because their mother couldn't lay off the crack pipe.
There needs to be responsibility all the way around. It's not just a woman's issue. Despite your statement to the contrary, it's not a woman alone that produces a pregnancy. I'm all for tougher child support laws, because right now they're about as flimsy as it gets. But it goes deeper than that. If you truly want to eliminate the number of abortions you're also going to have to relax adoptions laws in this country (why do you think people go elsewhere for abortions these days?) and stop cutting funding from Child Protective Services so that they have more staff to remove children from bad homes and places to put children who will be born into a situation where they're not wanting by either party.
But majority of the people who are wanting to eliminate abortion don't even bother to look at the bigger picture. It's utopian to think that everyone is going to be a responsible adult capable of raising a child.
There needs to be responsibility all the way around. It's not just a woman's issue. Despite your statement to the contrary, it's not a woman alone that produces a pregnancy. I'm all for tougher child support laws, because right now they're about as flimsy as it gets. But it goes deeper than that. If you truly want to eliminate the number of abortions you're also going to have to relax adoptions laws in this country (why do you think people go elsewhere for abortions these days?) and stop cutting funding from Child Protective Services so that they have more staff to remove children from bad homes and places to put children who will be born into a situation where they're not wanting by either party.
But majority of the people who are wanting to eliminate abortion don't even bother to look at the bigger picture. It's utopian to think that everyone is going to be a responsible adult capable of raising a child.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:25 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Obstetrics. The branch that deals with childbearing.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:26 pm to sorantable
Wonderful!! Bravo!!
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:27 pm to BarberitosDawg
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I just don't advocate for mandated (mindless) testing on my dime while making a few beneficiary's rich and gaining little too no results from it all.
Eh, they already do urine tests at most OB/GYN visits (as I said in my earlier post). And it'll still cost far less than that child being on a disability check later.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:59 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Eh, they already do urine tests at most OB/GYN visits (as I said in my earlier post). And it'll still cost far less than that child being on a disability check later.
What happens between you and your Dr should stay that we have enough of the state in our private lives.
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