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Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:17 pm to The Spleen
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I will prey for you that you can overcome all the oppression you face.
Not a big deal. I'm not offended by it.
Which is my entire point... every other group in this country acts as if they live under constant oppression when the media, academia, hollywood, etc. are all on their side. It's far easier and "cool" to be a liberal in this country than it is to be a conservative. It's far easier and "cool" to be agnostic in this country than it is to be a Christian.
I think possibly one of the biggest problems our society faces is the atmosphere that anyone who doesn't like something or someone else acts as if they've been personally attacked. It's time people grew up.
You have students at Emory who are seeking counseling and saying they've been threatened because they walked into a classroom in which there was "Trump 2016" written on the chalk board.
You have students at Mizzou who act like their life has been personally altered because they *may* have seen a swastika written with poop in one of the bathrooms.
You have a large number of African Americans who act as if all police are out to get them because certain blacks who broke the law are confronted by police because they did in fact break the law.
Our society is so weak its pathetic. Everyone needs to grow up and stop being offended by everything. And this all stems from the posters who act as if they are offended by "Christians" because Christians don't believe exactly how they believe. Let Christians believe how they want, just as you want to believe what you believe. Get over it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:27 pm to BHMKyle
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the phrase "Freedom of Religion"... which is not once even mentioned in the Constitution by the way...
You do realize that not every single one of our fundamental rights are literally written into the constitution, right? Some of them are atextual, aka, they're implied.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:27 pm to BHMKyle
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I'm not offended by it.
Your multi-paragraph rants would suggest otherwise.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:39 pm to BHMKyle
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Let Christians believe how they want, just as you want to believe what you believe.
The Constitution gives Christians the right to believe as they wish. That right stops at the civil rights door of people who aren't Christians, however.
It's just some Christians that are attracting the bad publicity for all Christians. Most American Christians are perfectly happy with the wall between church and state that guarantees their right to worship without government interference and concurrently affords people of other faiths and those without faith to live in peace with the same rights as Christians.
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Get over it.
Not a chance. Not when a large group is attempting to carve out a "nation within a nation" by usurping the Constitution.
Now, if you had said, "Live and let live," because that is ultimately what you are going to get out of this current social battle. Nothing more.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:43 pm to Kentucker
I recently heard another guy (He was on The Rubin Report, can't remember his name but he was Jewish) who said that every argument he makes is secular, whether it be for economics or policy and I've held that belief for YEARS.
Religious arguments can be easily defeated by religious rebuttals. All it takes is a different perception, and when that happens by default we go to numbers of supporters, which isn't always philosophically or morally correct.
Religious arguments can be easily defeated by religious rebuttals. All it takes is a different perception, and when that happens by default we go to numbers of supporters, which isn't always philosophically or morally correct.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:02 pm to BHMKyle
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Everyone needs to grow up and stop being offended by everything.
You should probably take a look in the mirror. All you've done in this thread is complain about how Christians are so oppressed. Give it a rest; it's not true.
Worry about yourself, BHMKyle. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
None of what you posted is even pertinent to what anyone in this thread, yourself included, is discussing. You're rambling and losing credibility with each click of the mouse.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I recently heard another guy (He was on The Rubin Report, can't remember his name but he was Jewish) who said that every argument he makes is secular, whether it be for economics or policy and I've held that belief for YEARS.
Unfortunately, secular seems to be a dirty word to right wing Christians. To them there is no neutral ground.
It's ironic that their attacks on the wall separating church and state just makes it stronger. They continue to alienate people and then wonder why they get called names.
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Religious arguments can be easily defeated by religious rebuttals. All it takes is a different perception, and when that happens by default we go to numbers of supporters, which isn't always philosophically or morally correct.
I can't fathom religion. It seems anathema to learning, to change. So, I'm inept at offering religious rebuttals.
I do understand our system of governance and the Constitution, however. I know Christians have their place within our society and that the Constitution forbids the role they see as their entitlement.
The sooner the Christian extremists see and understand that their privileges are limited by the rights of others, the sooner our society will settle into the internally peaceful nation it was meant to be.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:51 pm to AUnite
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You do realize that not every single one of our fundamental rights are literally written into the constitution, right? Some of them are atextual, aka, they're implied.
Of course. But its very clear on religion:
Congress shall make no law establishing religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor shall the rights of Conscience be infringed.
Telling someone they can't display a cross or pray in public clearly violates someone's ability to exercise their religion. It also clearly infringes on their right of conscience.
What that article DOES NOT include (nor imply) is that people don't have the right to expect to never see others practicing their religion.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:14 pm to BHMKyle
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Telling someone they can't display a cross or pray in public
Neither really happens enough to even warrant a complaint, and when it does happen it more times than not involves a government building or public property.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 6:07 pm to BHMKyle
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
^This is the First Amendment as it was ratified by the states after being approved by Congress.
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Congress shall make no law establishing religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor shall the rights of Conscience be infringed.
^This is apparently how it's written in your mind. This typifies the entitlement that right wing Christians have bestowed upon themselves.
Christians have no special rights under the Constitution, no matter how it's twisted for convenience. Sorry.
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Telling someone they can't display a cross or pray in public clearly violates someone's ability to exercise their religion. It also clearly infringes on their right of conscience.
No, you can't display your Christian paraphanelia wherever and whenever you please on public property any more than any other religion or philosophical group can. No, you can't lead organized prayer wherever and whenever you please on public property any more than any other religion or philosophical group can.
Public property is for all of us, not just Christians who feel entitled to it. We're all subject to the same rules.
Right wing Christians are acting like spoiled brats. And they wonder why so many people are fed up with their tantrums.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 7:02 pm to BHMKyle
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Our society is so weak its pathetic. Everyone needs to grow up and stop being offended by everything.
Then this also applies to Christians who are constantly pearl-clutching over gays, Muslims, atheists etc. You're offended that people are offended. How far can we take this?
The Christian majority has long held a vast amount of political power in this country and now some of them feel like their world is crashing down because they're forced to make room at the table for other ideologies. Cry me a river.
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