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re: common denominators amongst towns that are run down or are being run down...
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:54 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:54 pm to 3nOut
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having never been in one, i feel like i'd jump on them MMA style and give about 2 or 3 more just for good measure.
That's pretty much what he did to me.
Worst part was he tackled me and knocked my breath out, so I was trying to suck in air while he was pounding on my face. Think he only hit me 4 or 5 times before his buddy pulled him off me, but it felt like about a hundred times. EDIT: The reason for the fight was so stupid. I bumped into his girlfriend(really crowded redneck bar) by accident and knocked her drink out her hand. She went nuts, even after I bought her a new drink to replace the one I had knocked out of her hand. He took it as me hitting on her and harassed me for a good 10 minutes before cornering me. I even offered to pay his tab to get him to chill out, but he wouldn't reason at all.
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:51 pm to UMRealist
The loss of decent paying jobs is the beginning of the end for many a town.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:52 pm to UMTigerRebel
I'm very familiar w/ a town like that in the central backwoods of ms and it fits exactly what you're saying... Except the 98% part...
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:52 pm to sorantable
Lack of jobs. Lack of educated citizens.
Lots of welfare users.
Lots of welfare users.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:22 pm to sorantable
quote:Wal-Mart?
I can think of one common denominator but it's not popular to say it out loud.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:36 pm to sorantable
The main reason for the decline is overbearing Government combined with technology advances. Take the Delta for instance...used to have dozens of cotton gins and textile mills for employment which led to it being a wealthy place at one time.
Government injecting themselves into the free market via regulations and wage requirements caused factories to shut down, move overseas, or foreign competition to take over. The businesses that survived did so by using less labor and more machines to become efficient. This led to
1. Massive unemployment among the labor force (many of which were blacks or hispanics)
2. Middle class whites fleeing to urban areas for jobs while they still had the means to move.
This leaves behind a small portion of wealthy people who control everything and large amounts of unemployed minorities living on the Gov't dole, which only exacerbates the problem because welfare takes away incentive to try and make something of themselves where they currently live or to try and move away also.
The Mississippi River Delta regions are poised to make an economic comeback though. Business friendly policies among red states bordering the river combined with the lowest energy and labor costs are causing an economic boom that is expected to spread. You can see it in Louisiana starting to happen already. Expect the southern portions of the MS River areas to be the next economic manufacturing hub of the US.
Government injecting themselves into the free market via regulations and wage requirements caused factories to shut down, move overseas, or foreign competition to take over. The businesses that survived did so by using less labor and more machines to become efficient. This led to
1. Massive unemployment among the labor force (many of which were blacks or hispanics)
2. Middle class whites fleeing to urban areas for jobs while they still had the means to move.
This leaves behind a small portion of wealthy people who control everything and large amounts of unemployed minorities living on the Gov't dole, which only exacerbates the problem because welfare takes away incentive to try and make something of themselves where they currently live or to try and move away also.
The Mississippi River Delta regions are poised to make an economic comeback though. Business friendly policies among red states bordering the river combined with the lowest energy and labor costs are causing an economic boom that is expected to spread. You can see it in Louisiana starting to happen already. Expect the southern portions of the MS River areas to be the next economic manufacturing hub of the US.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:10 pm to deltaland
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welfare takes away incentive to try and make something of themselves where they currently live or to try and move away also.
It does in our current labor market. It also serves as a hedge against job losses, bad luck, or a failed business.
I certainly agree the federal government does way more harm than good with many regulations and the tax code that makes it increasingly difficult to start a small business while the actual overhead gets cheaper and cheaper in large part to technology. With a government this far reaching it is worth every penny to buy influence and rig the game for the rent seekers. Crony Capitalism is Capitalism.
If you have a healthy labor market, wage gains and inflation serve as the incentive to work. There will always be disincentive clips in a needs based transfer payment system, you lessen the extent if you could reasonably expect to make more money in a year than sitting on the dole.
Defending redistribution while calling for a massive reduction of the federal government structure. Libertarian Socialism?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:18 pm to deltaland
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The main reason for the decline is overbearing Government combined with technology advances. Take the Delta for instance...used to have dozens of cotton gins and textile mills for employment which led to it being a wealthy place at one time.
Government injecting themselves into the free market via regulations and wage requirements caused factories to shut down, move overseas, or foreign competition to take over. The businesses that survived did so by using less labor and more machines to become efficient. This led to
1. Massive unemployment among the labor force (many of which were blacks or hispanics)
2. Middle class whites fleeing to urban areas for jobs while they still had the means to move.
This leaves behind a small portion of wealthy people who control everything and large amounts of unemployed minorities living on the Gov't dole, which only exacerbates the problem because welfare takes away incentive to try and make something of themselves where they currently live or to try and move away also.
The Mississippi River Delta regions are poised to make an economic comeback though. Business friendly policies among red states bordering the river combined with the lowest energy and labor costs are causing an economic boom that is expected to spread. You can see it in Louisiana starting to happen already. Expect the southern portions of the MS River areas to be the next economic manufacturing hub of the US.
This is spot on.
To take this at a national level, the Great Migration as it was called of poor southern blacks to major industrial hubs in the midwest wasn't by accident, it was a specific reaction to a labor shortage for factories in the upper midwest and north east. The 2 world wars (especially the first) halted the streams of european migrants (cheap labor) coming over the Atlantic. When the flood of cheap immigrant labor was shut off, wages began to rise and companies began to have to look elsewhere for labor. Recruiters swarmed the south and pushed millions of black families north to seek out jobs in the sudden labor vacuum. Around the same time the US imposed its first immigration limits on total migrants, further driving up wages across the nation.
Wages steadily rose from the WW1 period all the way until the early 1980s, when rapid, uncontrolled migration of cheap labor began overwhelming the American economy again. Since immigration began skyrocketing, the average wage in the US has stayed stagnant, and likely won't rise again until the flow is shut off.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:58 pm to cokebottleag
It's 2014. They don't need to come to America to provide a glut in the labor market. Indochina and their 3 billion humans have entered the labor market. The amount of Mexicans we let in is of minimal consequence in the face of billions who work for cheap.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:26 pm to sorantable
I presume democrats in charge.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 6:12 pm to kywildcatfanone
Plot the percentage of children born out of wedlock, and single parent homes where the father is absent.
There's your answer.
There's your answer.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:29 pm to cokebottleag
I really wish I could see something economically positive on the horizon for the ms delta, but going to college in Cleveland and working in outside collections while in college, I got really familiar with the social and economic shape of the people in these small, cramped towns. I don't think there's a will, desire, or ability for the ppl of the delta to supply a workforce that's capable of supporting a modern manufacturing boom... The workforce would have to come from outside the area.
I would love to b wrong, but that's my bleak observation of the poor delta.
And it breaks my heart for them.
I would love to b wrong, but that's my bleak observation of the poor delta.
And it breaks my heart for them.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:12 pm to sorantable
smh @ the dirty delta
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:13 pm
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