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re: Canada Legalizes Physician-Assisted Dying
Posted on 6/19/16 at 1:42 am to tduecen
Posted on 6/19/16 at 1:42 am to tduecen
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If they can sign up to die in war at 18 then it should be 18, same as the legal drinking age.
The reason the age to "sign up and die" is 18 is because that's when young men are strong and stupid enough to do it. Plus, they're not assured to die, and they get really good benefits if they stay alive. And their family get good benefits if they don't. So it's not an apples and oranges thing for me. Whatever the age, you should be allowed to do it, and that's why people do. At the end of the day, this thing works itself out. People just have to go through a lot more pain than they need to.
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Posted on 6/19/16 at 1:43 am to Carolina_Girl
quote:Nope but the GF does, my mom does, my cousin does, my aunt does, my cousin does....
You don't work in the medical field, do you?
quote:They want to end their life, so therefore, they do not value it. That is how I determine value.
And who are you to determine the "value" of someone else's life, anyway?
quote:Well for one, not trying to end their life.
How would one presume to deem themselves able to do that?
Posted on 6/19/16 at 1:45 am to Stacked
quote:Again, they are choosing to die if they choose to overdose. Many professionals can determine an accidental overdose vs one on purpose.
The reason the age to "sign up and die" is 18 is because that's when young men are strong and stupid enough to do it. Plus, they're not assured to die,
quote:As you should and if you made a decision to kill yourself via overdose then they should let you die. I obviously have no sympathy for these people and I honestly never will even though I've had suicide in my family.
you should be allowed to do it
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 1:46 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 1:56 am to tduecen
So a mom suffering from severe postpartum depression should be allowed to kill herself bc she doesn't value life.
A person who just buried their child and is severely depressed should be allowed to kill themselves bc they don't value their life.
A person with an untreated mental illness should be allowed to kill themself bc they don't value their life.
I could go on for days and days.
ALL of those situations can be treated with the right combination of counseling and medication. Every. Single. One.
Those are not people who "don't value their lives". Those are ppl who need help and do not know, or are ashamed to, seek help. In some extremely severe cases, the people are just flat unable to think clearly enough past the situation that is causing the issues to begin with in order to seek help. So they resort to the only thing they can think of to stop the dismal state they are in, bc they do not realize that they CAN be helped, and attempt suicide.
A person who just buried their child and is severely depressed should be allowed to kill themselves bc they don't value their life.
A person with an untreated mental illness should be allowed to kill themself bc they don't value their life.
I could go on for days and days.
ALL of those situations can be treated with the right combination of counseling and medication. Every. Single. One.
Those are not people who "don't value their lives". Those are ppl who need help and do not know, or are ashamed to, seek help. In some extremely severe cases, the people are just flat unable to think clearly enough past the situation that is causing the issues to begin with in order to seek help. So they resort to the only thing they can think of to stop the dismal state they are in, bc they do not realize that they CAN be helped, and attempt suicide.
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 1:59 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 2:00 am to tduecen
tduecen is mostly right here. But as much as possible this needs to not be an emotional decision. Generally that means there needs to be something more than short term circumstances.
But death needs to be available.
15 years ago I used to take care of a boy who was in a motorcycle crash, riding with his father, at the age of 2. He was a quadriplegic. He couldn't talk, move any part of his body. He breathed through a tube in his throat, fed through a tube in his stomach, was 65 pounds and 20 yrs old.
I had him on a changing table and a football sized ball of very hard poop tore his arse to pieces. It wouldn't come out and he started bleeding. His face was red, sweating and he was crying.
12 years later, still working with this young man, he passed away. 55 pound, age 32. Never having said a word. Tears during pain, his only sign that there was anyone cognitively still inside his eyes.
I don't know what to do about that. But I'm pretty sure he didn't really need to live the last 30 years. And if given the ability I believe he would have agree to the same.
But death needs to be available.
15 years ago I used to take care of a boy who was in a motorcycle crash, riding with his father, at the age of 2. He was a quadriplegic. He couldn't talk, move any part of his body. He breathed through a tube in his throat, fed through a tube in his stomach, was 65 pounds and 20 yrs old.
I had him on a changing table and a football sized ball of very hard poop tore his arse to pieces. It wouldn't come out and he started bleeding. His face was red, sweating and he was crying.
12 years later, still working with this young man, he passed away. 55 pound, age 32. Never having said a word. Tears during pain, his only sign that there was anyone cognitively still inside his eyes.
I don't know what to do about that. But I'm pretty sure he didn't really need to live the last 30 years. And if given the ability I believe he would have agree to the same.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 2:00 am to Carolina_Girl
quote:If she wants to overdose sure
So a mom suffering from severe postpartum depression should be allowed to kill herself bc she doesn't value life.
quote:if they want to overdose sure
A person who just buried their child and is severely depressed should be allowed to kill themselves bc they don't value their life.
quote:yup
A person with an untreated mental illness should be allowed to kill themself bc they don't value their life.
quote:or they just get worse and the state ends up paying for them, which means you and I end up paying for them.
ALL of those situations can be treated with the right combination of counseling and medication. Every. Single. One.
quote:And if they want to go the suicide route, let them die. I can promise you if doctors started going this route people would quit doing it just for attention.
So they resort to the only thing they can think of to stop the dismal state they are in, bc they do not realize that they CAN be helped, and attempt suicide.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 2:05 am to tduecen
shite if they would knock off all of the morbidly obese people along with the suicidal people my insurance rates would be better.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 2:06 am to tduecen
If we're talking mere profitability I'd knock off a lot more than the obese. But I agree, start with them.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 2:09 am to Stacked
I mean obese I can deal with as by definition someone 6'0" 200 pounds is considered obese. So that has more leniency than it should, but someone 5'6" 400 pounds, quit giving them healthcare.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:15 am to Stacked
We routinely euthanize our pets when they have terminal conditions such as cancer or are experiencing organ failure due to age. We say this is humane.
The definition of humane is "characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, especially for the suffering or distressed" (dictionary.com). For people with a living will, I think euthanization is a valid choice that should be supported by our laws.
The definition of humane is "characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, especially for the suffering or distressed" (dictionary.com). For people with a living will, I think euthanization is a valid choice that should be supported by our laws.
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