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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:11 pm to KSGamecock
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Now imagine that one of the Mothers carries the gay gene and gives birth to a gay son. Now instead of that guy getting with a girl and pumping out more babies for the women to watch and get killed this guy now chooses to not mate to watch the children and help out with the tribe stuff, the more butch ones might even hunt. That gay caveman is now a huge evolutionary asset. His presence aids the tribe, they prosper and more children live, children who also carry that mother's gay gene...the chance (albeit a small one) that offspring may be gay.
There is a real world example of this right here in the U. S. Some western First American tribes refer to gay men in their societies as berdache, meaning two-spirit.
They are assigned roles as teachers of tribal children and live honored and full lives. Lesbians are not so lucky, however. Since women in general have a secondary status to men, they have to maintain that station within the tribe.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:11 pm to Kentucker
Humans as the virus going into remission by selecting for homosexuality. I was kidding of course.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:14 pm to KSGamecock
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Your posting personality with your old avi was completely different than the new robo one.
Perhaps it's the congenial smile of the human vs. the cold stare of the robot that's influencing your perception.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:21 pm to Kentucker
quote:Critical mass. A point where our biomedical goods and services can't support the demand. The industry collapses, population collapses. We all believe in freedom so there's no forced breeding. If you can assume control of the artificial insemination industry, as well as the available outlets for dispensing the pro-homo propaganda, bye bye world as we know it.
That would have only a small effect. While gay men would not feel the current pressure to marry women and reproduce with them, they still want to be parents. Gay women do, too. Liberated gays and lesbians tend to share sperm and ova to get the children they want.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:27 pm to genro
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Critical mass. A point where our biomedical goods and services can't support the demand. The industry collapses, population collapses. We all believe in freedom so there's no forced breeding. If you can assume control of the artificial insemination industry, as well as the available outlets for dispensing the pro-homo propaganda, bye bye world as we know it.
We have to adjust to a very different world every few years. The pace, and resulting effect, of technology is increasing at an exponential rate, as exemplified by the past 200 years.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 12:04 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:40 pm to Kentucker
We'll see if we can adjust. Culturally and politically we are decades, centuries, millenia behind the hard sciences depending on how you look at it. We teach things and enact laws and believe things that have been disproven. Everything we have is based in science but everyone is based in emotion and rationalization; we're a philosophical culture living in a technological world. And those who understand that can manipulate us to their science, invisibly. Because of our nature.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:57 pm to genro
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Everything we have is based in science but everyone is based in emotion and rationalization; we're a philosophical culture living in a technological world.
The net effect is that an increasing proportion of the population is becoming useless to the advancement of the human species.
The emotion, rationalization and philosophy you mention are the deterrents to necessary purges that would afford selection of the best humans for a hyper-technological society; one that is destined to grow beyond its humble beginnings on earth.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:40 am to Kentucker
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The net effect is that an increasing proportion of the population is becoming useless to the advancement of the human species.
Perhaps, however the overall numbers of contributing population continues to rise.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 6:01 am to Vols&Shaft83
Pollution is real. The greenhouse effect is real. Humans putting tons of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere obviously alters it. This isn't some voodoo science. I am a petroleum engineer. My livelihood depends on oil and gas. I also have read the data and reports and methodology and why 99% of scientists agree. Man made global warming has been going on for 8,000 years since we cultivated rice that sends methane in to the air. The Industrial Revolution was even more dramatic. I don't think taxing the rich and forcing people to go green when it isn't economical does anything good for it.
I hate whiney environmentals as much as the next guy but I'm not in the business of denying science out of convenience. And that's what weak people do. It's what liberals do to basic economic principle and it's what conservatives do to science.
And the whole debate disgusts me. We should figure out how to fix it instead of blaming the opposition or denying reality to spite the opposition. The willingness to solve issues used to make this country great. Now we have Boehner as Obama running this country in to the ground because morons like the people in this thread won't agree with anything that would ever come close to exposing their biases and ignorancea. It's as if you can't even FATHOM that those whiney liberals feeling vindicated even for a moment. It's almost as bad as the anti-vaccine shite or people that whine about their college loans.
I hate whiney environmentals as much as the next guy but I'm not in the business of denying science out of convenience. And that's what weak people do. It's what liberals do to basic economic principle and it's what conservatives do to science.
And the whole debate disgusts me. We should figure out how to fix it instead of blaming the opposition or denying reality to spite the opposition. The willingness to solve issues used to make this country great. Now we have Boehner as Obama running this country in to the ground because morons like the people in this thread won't agree with anything that would ever come close to exposing their biases and ignorancea. It's as if you can't even FATHOM that those whiney liberals feeling vindicated even for a moment. It's almost as bad as the anti-vaccine shite or people that whine about their college loans.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:56 am to Kentucker
quote:No, I'm not speaking of the philosophy itself. I'm saying that emotion and rationalization are innate to us, that's how we form our decisions. There a psychological mechanism to it, and it can be explained through science. (not fully yet)
The emotion, rationalization and philosophy you mention are the deterrents to necessary purges that would afford selection of the best humans for a hyper-technological society; one that is destined to grow beyond its humble beginnings on earth.
But it goes deeper than than. The mind is but a clump of tissue and neurons, themselves but a clump of cells, themselves but a clump of molecules, themselves but a clump of atoms. It all operates according to anatomical, neurobiological, and physical law. We could derive the machinations for all mind activity, including the totality of human consciousness. (we haven't done this, the machinations behind a "thought" are still largely a mystery, meaning the existence of the soul and our current cultural belief in mind-body dualism have not been disproven). Our minds to their core operate on scientific law. The mechanism is not fully explained, but it could one day be fully formulated.
Now at that point someone could conceivably take all the formalized principles of the human mind, physics, psychology, neurology, and develop a unifying algorithm. The algorithm would cover all potential input and output of the human mind. This is when "propaganda" takes a far wide definition. It's now simply stimulus-and-response, the exact input is known for creating the exact output. It is supported by science, mathematics, and formula. They could sway the culture to any belief imaginable, using only scientific method.
That is the extreme situation. That is the point at which someone could have total manipulation. We're not close to there yet. But do we have "partial" manipulation? Do we?
Do we?
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:59 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:57 am to genro
/topic of the week
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:06 am to Vols&Shaft83
Not sure about global warming, but climate change is very real. The level of it caused by human activity is debatable. I happen to think we are contributing some to it. How much, I have no idea. I'm game for doing what we can to potentially reduce our possible impact though.
I don't feel like proving it.
I don't feel like proving it.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:09 am to tamctshirt
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/topic of the week
Yep, it's shaping up to be science week. Potential threads:
Extraterrestrial life
Stem Cells
Space Colonization
Eugenics
Genetically Modified Food
Fracking
Evolution
Young Earth Creationism vs. Old Earth
Vaccinations causing autism
The origin of AIDS
Origin of Life
Origin of the Universe
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:18 am to The Spleen
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Not sure about global warming, but climate change is very real. The level of it caused by human activity is debatable. I happen to think it's possible we are contributing some to it. How much, I have no idea. I'm game for doing what we can to potentially reduce our possible impact though.
mostly agree with a tiny FIFY. WTF.
however..... i don't think the government should be able to force us to anything on it. i'm all about rewarding those that choose to do solar power and electric cars, but don't punish those who don't.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:22 am to Vols&Shaft83
You are a mentally handicapped troll.
Prove if you disagree.
Prove if you disagree.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:30 am to samson'sseed
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You are a mentally handicapped troll.
Ok
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:30 am to Vols&Shaft83
It's hard to wade through the hysteria and hype on both sides. Given the religious fervor with which the proponents expound their truth in order to raise taxes and control industry in ways that will have no effective bearing on what they're claiming, I'm inclined to think it's all a bunch of hooey perpetuated by a combination of well-meaning eggheads, Marxists, environmentalists and big bankers who want to get in on the carbon credit trading action.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:31 am to Vols&Shaft83
I dunno man, samson is a pretty well respected poster, if he says you're retarded you very well might be.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:32 am to KSGamecock
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samson is a pretty well respected poster,
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