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re: Can anyone enlighten me about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
How many things have been tested and claimed safe by industry backed science to later be found unsafe? The list is very long.
Important to note, it's not like things have been called safe to later be found to be mildly unsafe, we've gone from 'safe' to extremely dangerous with so many things.
Studies that aren't backed by big industry have shown adverse effects in animals, and we've seen a spike in chronic illness and disease as humans.
Not to mention the multitude of external issues that go against basic common sense.
Important to note, it's not like things have been called safe to later be found to be mildly unsafe, we've gone from 'safe' to extremely dangerous with so many things.
Studies that aren't backed by big industry have shown adverse effects in animals, and we've seen a spike in chronic illness and disease as humans.
Not to mention the multitude of external issues that go against basic common sense.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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fringe internet sites
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Sleeping Tiger
This is half of his problem IMO.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:36 pm to Sleeping Tiger
You're on a downvoting tear big guy 
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
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You're on a downvoting tear big guy
I'm not the only one.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:38 pm to Sleeping Tiger
The very first research study linked by the "global research" link you posted says specifically in the 1 paragraph abstract that the levels of toxins being studied in the women were from herbicides, added chemical herbicides, not related to GMO's in any way other than GMO's can be sprayed with them. The study also concludes there is no evidence of a health risk, despite the presence of these compounds in the blood stream. The study itself says, in the abstract, it is the first study of any kind to even try to measure glphyosate in women's blood streams.
How you take that to mean "GMO's Are Killing People!" is ridiculous.
How you take that to mean "GMO's Are Killing People!" is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:39 pm to KSGamecock
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This is half of his problem IMO.
Ah, most of my internet time is spent at OpenCulture and my most watched youtube channel is Renegade Economics (which is lectures and interviews with economists).
And I read books, a lot.
Without being disrespectful to the daily habits of most on this board, I'd bet I feed my senses with better things than most.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:40 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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How many things have been tested and claimed safe by industry backed science to later be found unsafe? The list is very long.
Tested as extensively as GMOs and aspartame in the modern era of science? None that I can think of.
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Studies that aren't backed by big industry have shown adverse effects in animals, and we've seen a spike in chronic illness and disease as humans.
What you mean is poorly designed or outright fabricated studies run through the filter of fringe beliefs have shown adverse effects. Meanwhile, in the real world, actual scientists enjoy reading the types of sites you link and laughing together about them over lunch.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:42 pm to KSGamecock
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This is half of his problem IMO.
It's painfully obvious that all those times he spoke of "educating himself" he was simply memorizing talking points from websites owned and operated by the kind of people who stand on streetcorners and yell at people.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It's painfully obvious that all those times he spoke of "educating himself" he was simply memorizing talking points from websites owned and operated by the kind of people who stand on streetcorners and yell at people.
He's feeding his senses brah. He's "a man with the face of a warrior and eyes of a poet."
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:45 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Without being disrespectful to the daily habits of most on this board, I'd bet I feed my senses with better things than most.
But feeding your senses with what?
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, the fact that you disagree with just about every scientific consensus discussed here is an indictment of your sources and not just that everyone else is ignorant or out to hide the truth?
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Tested as extensively as GMOs
The truth is there hasn't been extensive testing for GMO's effect on humans.
The fact is there is more evidence of adverse effects.
If you want to believe what industry backed science tells you, the same people that have claimed things are safe to later tell us they're extremely harmful then more power to you.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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But feeding your senses with what?
I gave you the website, open culture.. you're free to check it out for yourself.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:55 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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The truth is there hasn't been extensive testing for GMO's effect on humans.
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The fact is there is more evidence of adverse effects.
These are mutually exclusive statements. Get your shite together man.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:57 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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the same people that have claimed things are safe to later tell us they're extremely harmful
FYI, DDT isn't harmful to people. It was shitty for condors.
DDT saved millions of lives and ended the malaria epidemic in Africa and Asia.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:58 pm to deeprig9
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These are mutually exclusive statements. Get your shite together man.
Not really.
They haven't been studied extensively in humans.
Animal testing has shown adverse effects.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:00 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Animal testing has shown adverse effects.
Testing causes cancer in lab rats.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:02 pm to deeprig9
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FYI, DDT isn't harmful to people. It was shitty for condors.
Is DDT the only thing that was claimed safe that later was found to be harmful? No, so not sure what your point is.
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It was shitty for condors.
This is telling. Things that are harmful for the environment are harmful to people, this kind of disconnect between humans and the planet is troubling.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:04 pm to the808bass
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Testing causes cancer in lab rats.
This is bumper sticker worthy.
I appreciate the humor, but the truth is tests show all kinds of adverse effects on animals, and not just rats.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:05 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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This is telling. Things that are harmful for the environment are harmful to people, this kind of disconnect between humans and the planet is troubling.
Know what else harms people? Mosquitos carrying malaria. If you like condors more than peoples, that kind of disconnect is a little troubling as well.
Nature isn't some benevolent mother. Sometimes nature is a bitch.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:06 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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but the truth is tests show all kinds of adverse effects on animals, and not just rats.
And animal testing doesn't translate directly to human effect.
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