re: Ben Carson is absolutely right, and for more reasons than he says

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Get back to me when you're sitting in a classroom and a guy has a gun pointed at you. By the way, you decide to be the first guy to rush the gunman.

Hypotheticals are great, but reality is reality.

I've been robbed at gunpoint. First, you aren't expecting it to happen. You're walking along minding your own business and the next second you believe you are about to die. It takes a few seconds at least for your body to accept the immediate fight/flight response. When someone pulls a gun on you unexpectedly, you answer "yes sir" and "no sir" and do whatever they tell you to do. That is my personal experience.

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I understand what you are trying to say but you are missing the point.

There is no shame in complying with what a robber with a gun or even a psycho with a gun tells you to do. No one really knows what you will do until you get in that situation. Different people react differently when survival mode kicks in and honestly I hope I never have to find out what I would personally do and I certainly would not fault anyone else who is put in that situation.

The point though is that when dealing with a crazy person who is intent on killing people the ideal thing is to try to stop them, however you can. 9/11 is a perfect example. 3 planes hit their targets and one went down in the countryside because a group of people rushed the assailants. They died as heroes, saving untold other lives by their actions. That doesn't mean the folks in the other 3 planes (or even the people on that plane that did nothing) are to be scorned but it does mean we should encourage and celebrate heroic behavior.

The emphasis needs to be on the heroes stopping or trying to stop the murderers, not on the murderers being able to live out their sick fantasy of going down in a blaze of glory killing everyone they can to go with them. Concealed carry should continue to expand as well, make it so that psychos can never know where they can go to shoot defenseless people because they will never know who is defenseless.

The answer isn't to teach scared little kindergarteners to attack. If that's the only thing you want to change from the status quo, you're not that bright. I like guns, but you all are sheep for believing that all gun control is bad. Nothing is as rigid as you ideologues believe. Conservatives love to bring up Chicago. Well Chicago loosened their gun controls laws in the last two years fairly significantly. Gun violence went up. First off, while that is 100% accurate, it's just as reckless as the "derp derp gun control city in Illinois derp deep there is a lot of gun violence there deep derp gun control doesn't work deep derp". There are many factors at work, and as a country we are reckless with the way we frame arguments. There are laws that can be passed that will do absolutely nothing to impede your ability to own a firearm for your safety and leisure.

Register guns. You register your home, your vehicles, your pets, your marriage, and your children's schooling. Registration is not an issue. You need a license to operate every fire arm you own. Hunting rifle? Well you only need to be 10 or so, take a course, and be in the presence of someone licensed over the age of 21. Easy. A concealed hand gun? Take a course. Renew your CHL every four years. Register your hand gun. An assault rifle? Take a course for the assault rife, or get a military exemption, and register that rifle for home defense. If that weapon is registered for home defense, with your home defense firearm license, it is not legally allowed to leave your property. If it is registered for leisure use, the license is more expensive, the training required is higher, and you're required to renew the leisure use license every year. Establish mental health guidelines that directly effect your licenses to own and operate any gun, at any time. If you're a type I diabetic, you can't hold a Class A commercial driver's license. It's the same shite. If your mental health professional is starting you on new medication, or suggests suspension of a suspension of your license to own and operate a firearm, then tough shite. Deal with it. Oregon and Sandy Hook shooter's mom's with assloads of guns that they like to show their kids? Well if they want to go to the shooting range, they needs to present their firearm license. Their kids do too. If their kid has a hold on his license he can't do anything. If these ladies wanted to leave their firearms around unlocked, for a weapon that isn't registered to their legally adult child, then their arse is fricked if those guns ever leave their premises. A degree of negligent homicide should be brought forth. If was a home defense weapon, that falls within the home defense guidelines for easy access, and was stolen, then that's one thing. But if those weapons were registered for leisure use, it should have to be owned, insured and registered to that individual. If they weren't locked up, then culpability falls on the gun owner. Home defense? Of course, grab whatever you want and keep whatever you want, you don't need a lock, it's your private property. But if you're going to be a gun owner with a ton of guns you can't keep track of and they are for leisure use, they need to be locked up. And if you have someone in your house with mental illness, you need to lock up your guns, and even then you probably won't register them or even buy them in the first place.

And you know what? All the criminals that don't comply to this basic shite? Legalize weed so you have some empty cells, and lock their asses up.

It really is this simple, IMO. But this is gun control. Everyone thinks their view is right. No point in arguing.

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Well Chicago loosened their gun controls laws in the last two years fairly significantly

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No, they didn't. They were FORCED to give CC permits though, for which they charge an outrageous fee for.

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Illinois also has the longest training requirements of right-to-carry states, requiring potential licensees to take a 16-hour course that includes range time. There are no gun ranges within the city of Chicago, and carrying an unlicensed gun on public transportation is a crime.

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The majority of Illinois’ 73,714 active concealed carry licenses — 90 percent — have been issued to white people, demographic data shows. Only eight percent of African-Americans have secured licenses, according to the FOIA information.

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Tell me the demographics on who is committing the crimes now...

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Register guns. You register your home, your vehicles, your pets, your marriage, and your children's schooling. Registration is not an issue. You need a license to operate every fire arm you own

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Stupid. Violation of Constitutional Rights.

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Take a course for the assault rife, or get a military exemption, and register that rifle for home defense

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Stupid. Define 'assault' in your own words.

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There are laws that can be passed that will do absolutely nothing to impede your ability to own a firearm for your safety and leisure.

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They are already on the books. Many of them DO impede one's ability to own firearms. And ownership is not solely about safety and the 2nd Amendment is not about leisure.

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If that was the de facto instruction for people in gunman situations, wouldn't a would-be killer think twice? And for the one who wants to do his evil deed and end his life without suffering the consequences therafter, wouldn't the threat of being overpowered and taken alive cause even more hesitancy?

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No. And no.

American way, try to explain,
scab of a nation driven insane ...
—Frank Zappa

this dude is a gnarly kook bruh. No thanks.

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Everyone is a hero in the fantasy land of thier own heads.

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Truth.

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Ben Carson working hard everyday to prove that not all brain surgeons are intelligent.

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Shock and fear takes over for people in those moments. Nobody who hasn't experienced it really has any right to say what they would do, because you simply don't know.

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While you're correct, people that get past shock and fear do what they have been taught or trained to do. We have raised a couple of generations of people that have been taught to not resist, and now we are not resisting even as gunmen mow us down.

I for one will teach my children to use their judgement to determine if they need to resist to save their lives, and hope for the best. What I won't do is teach them to do whatever the gunman says. It's not working anymore.