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re: Antonin Scalia passes away in West Texas

Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35623 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:06 pm to
It's enough election year and it was Scalia, the only two people right of him were Clarence Thomas and Attila The Hun. Zero chance to go liberal.

When McConnell and Cruz and all the conservatives said "no way we pass any nomination"; President Obama saw the political oppertunity. If I did, he did. So we get a moderate nomination. The GOP is left to either look petty in the eyes of voters or alienate the base by allowing the nomination. McConnell is damn good at the game, I'm surprised he so quickly backed himself into this corner.
Posted by GeauxBots
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2016
67 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:11 pm to
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Obama will nominate, but it will be a meaningless gesture. The Senate will certainly reject no matter who it is. They won't let him tip the court further left with less than a year left in his term.


There are 44 democrats in the senate plus 2 independents that caucus with the dems. It's pretty safe to say that's 46 votes locked down.

There are 3 republican senators in office that have previously crossed party lines to approve a supreme court nomination. It's like 1 or 2 will again.

There are also several republican senators seeking reelection in blue states this year. Not at all unreasonable to think at least 1 or 2 of them might fear being viewed as obstructionist and end up giving Obama the full 50 votes that he needs. I'd say the odds are at least slightly in Obama's favor here, with one caveat...

The republicans could filibuster. I think it's damn near impossible to imaging that Obama could sway enough republicans to get across the 60 vote mark needed to stop a filibuster. BUT, filibustering a supreme court nomination is unprecedented. This move would play right into the already prevalent idea that republicans are obstructionist. I think this would be a dumb move, probably seal a democratic victory in the election, and basically guarantee that Hillary or Bernie would get to solidify a liberal majority on the court for years to come once the next old timer on the court passes.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28897 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:18 pm to
If I were Obama, I would nominate Ted Cruz today.

Kill 2 birds with one stone.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 6:27 pm to
The GOP should quickly point out that ALL NINE Justices agreed Obama unconstitutionally appointed recess appointments and that he isn't qualified to fill the position. The GOP best not confirm anyone that guy nominates. They're already on the verge of losing a large and deciding portion of their base for capitulating to so many horrible policies and pissing on the voters who gave them the majority.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 6:49 pm to
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Sen. McConnell is right that the American people should have a voice in the selection of the next Supreme Court justice. In fact, they did — when President Obama won the 2012 election by five million votes.”


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She invoked Article II Section 2 of the Constitution, which gives the president the power to appoint Supreme Court Justices with the advice and consent of the Senate. “I can’t find a clause that says ‘…except when there’s a year left in the term of a Democratic President,” Warren wrote mockingly.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:55 am to
Dems in Senate passed a resolution in1960 against election year Supreme Court appointments




August 1960, the Democrat-controlled Senate passed a resolution, S.RES. 334, “Expressing the sense of the Senate that the president should not make recess appointments to the Supreme Court, except to prevent or end a breakdown in the administration of the Court’s business.” Each of President Eisenhower’s SCOTUS appointments had initially been a recess appointment who was later confirmed by the Senate, and the Democrats were apparently concerned that Ike would try to fill any last-minute vacancy that might arise with a recess appointment.


What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 7:57 am
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:13 am to
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The republicans could filibuster



Cruz has already said he would, and I think Rubio said the same.

I see the point Republicans are trying to make, though I think they showed their hand way too soon. I mean barely an hour after his confirmed death they were threatening to block Obama's appointment. But they want to make it a campaign issue. Paint it as the power of the SC hanging in the balance, and delay the nomination until after the election in hopes a Republican wins. It makes sense, but once again they blew their wad and gave all the power back to Obama. He's going to school them again.

I think you're right though. There are some vulnerable Republican Senators up for re-election this November. If it gets to a vote, Obama's nomination will go through. I'm guessing it's going to be that Sri guy they just confirmed 97-0 for a Circuit Judgeship. He's highly respected by both sides and is about as moderate as you can get. It won't be unanimous, but if he's the nomination and it gets to the floor, he'll breeze through, despite the hubris from Cruz, McConnell, Rubio, et al.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:19 am to
I don't want him appointing the next Justice. However, unless things change it's going to be a democrat that fills the seat.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5173 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:13 pm to
For all you guys downvoting and making negative comments about Scalia:

He is the one you have to thank for his decision (District of Columbia v. Heller), holding that the Second Amendment protects the right to posses a firearm at home.

Whoever Obama appoints, if he is allowed to, will certainly not be making decisions like that.
Posted by Person of interest
The Hill
Member since Jan 2014
1786 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:11 pm to
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Dems in Senate passed a resolution in1960 against election year Supreme Court appointments


Dems confirmed Reagan's nominee in his last year in office. Justice Kennedy.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:26 pm to
The 1960 resolution was for recess appointments, but every single conservative mentioning it fail to make that distinction.
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