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re: a good laugh about a traitor.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:46 am to Rebelgator
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:46 am to Rebelgator
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Dagestan 6
frick Chechnya. They're animals. The don't deserve to live on this earth.
Yeah man, you can't unsee that video. I would not want to be held by Islamic militants, but especially the fricking Chechens.
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:56 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Not to mention Dempsey supported it -- what is his job title?
You can't be this naive. Dempsey is an appointee. His job is to publicly support the President.
You still can't admit the simplest fact that not all of the criticism of the President is partisan. And your sophistry needs some serious work. It's subpar.
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:04 am to the808bass
So the former appointee that agrees with some of what you say is a credible source, but the chairman of the joint chiefs is completely full of shite.
Interdasting
Interdasting
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:07 am to MIZ_COU
I didn't say he was full of shite. I said he's saying exactly what you would expect him to say after the fact.
What did everyone say before the release? And I mean everyone.
Find a major cabinet member, head of a department, chief of staff, information officer, anyone, who came out in favor of this trade before it happened.
What did everyone say before the release? And I mean everyone.
Find a major cabinet member, head of a department, chief of staff, information officer, anyone, who came out in favor of this trade before it happened.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:10 am to the808bass
quote:Did anyone come out against it before it happened?
Find a major cabinet member, head of a department, chief of staff, information officer, anyone, who came out in favor of this trade before it happened.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:17 am to MIZ_COU
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Find a major cabinet member, head of a department, chief of staff, information officer, anyone, who came out in favor of this trade before it happened.
Did anyone come out against it before it happened?
Gonna be impossible, they had to keep it secret in order to keep Bergdahl alive. There were threats to kill him if the deal was released to the public.
What we have now is a bunch of people scrambling for political posturing.
808 is just a little too green to understand at this point.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:18 am to MIZ_COU
Yes. The same trade has been discussed for years. Panetta opposed it. Clapper opposed it. Romney opposed it. (Hillary is currently distancing herself from it.).
This trade didn't spring up ex nihilo last week.
This trade didn't spring up ex nihilo last week.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:20 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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808 is just a little too green to understand at this point.
Is this your civil discussion skills at work?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:20 am to the808bass
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Clapper opposed it
Until he received Qatari assurance, he now supports it.
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Romney
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(Hillary is currently distancing herself from it.).
Because that's the smart thing to do politically, anything to win the presidency. Do you even politic?
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Panetta opposed it.
And Dempsey?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:21 am to the808bass
It's not exactly the same trade. It started out at 21 pows and a million dollars.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:21 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Because that's the smart thing to do politically, anything to win the presidency. Do you even politic?
Why is it the smart thing to do politically when it's your party's president that made the decision?
You are getting warmer.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:22 am to the808bass
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Is this your civil discussion skills at work?
No, it's me telling you that you don't know what you're talking about and are far too concerned with trying to paint this in a different light.
Objectively speaking: You've made several erroneous claims (big ones) that show a severe lack of knowledge on the situation.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:22 am to MIZ_COU
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It's not exactly the same trade. It started out at 21 pows and a million dollars.
It's been the five POWs in question since 2011.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:26 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Objectively speaking: You've made several erroneous claims (big ones) that show a severe lack of knowledge on the situation.
No, I haven't. I've made some assertions you don't believe. But, I'm comfortable with that.
The Secretary of State, Joint Chiefs, CIA head and NSA head all have to publicly repeat the talking points of the Executive Branch. You claim to be a political expert but can't grasp this.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:28 am to the808bass
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Why is it the smart thing to do politically when it's your party's president that made the decision?
Because there's no downside to that position. If you support the trade and something bad happens it'll reflect poorly on you.
If you unilaterally oppose it you'll have trouble.
That's why you go right down the middle and say:
"Hillary Clinton: Bergdahl Swap a 'Hard Choice' But Right Decision."
You show regret, but a modicum of support.
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You are getting warmer.
I think I've got this, you on the other hand...
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:30 am to the808bass
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No, I haven't. I've made some assertions you don't believe. But, I'm comfortable with that.
The Secretary of State, Joint Chiefs, CIA head and NSA head all have to publicly repeat the talking points of the Executive Branch. You claim to be a political expert but can't grasp this.
It's funny that you brought up James Clapper -- until you realized he didn't agree with you.
Remember that whole: There's no sign from the intelligence community that they supported this, spiel? Would you like me to go ahead and quote it again for you, or are you good?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:34 am to the808bass
quote:808 has a valid point. I'm trying hard to clean up my act.
Is this your civil discussion skills at work?
Here's the thing. We know like 1% of what is going on with this. We know a guy broke. We know he deserted. We know five pow where traded for him. Everything else on here is speculation. We could have traded five pows that will wind up killing americans for a traitor. The cia could already have plans for droning the shite out of these guys. I doubt either is entirely true. I do know that picking out the worst case scenario, stating it as a near certainty, and then getting as worked up about it as possible is a big rant pastime. Not sure what you get out of that besides high blood pressure
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:36 am to MIZ_COU
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808 has a valid point. I'm trying hard to clean up my act.
His ignorance is real -- perhaps that's a little uncouth but it's apparent.
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Here's the thing. We know like 1% of what is going on with this.
And this is why.
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Everything else on here is speculation. We could have traded five pows that will wind up killing americans for a traitor. The cia could already have plans for droning the shite out of these guys. I doubt either is entirely true. I do know that picking out the worst case scenario, stating it as a near certainty, and then getting as worked up about it as possible is a big rant pastime. Not sure what you get out of that besides high blood pressure
All of this. Nothing is verifiable at this point and like I've said from the very beginning: Innocent until proven guilty.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:No it's not. He see's an unknown differently than you and finds evidence to support it. I do think he tends to start with the conclusion and work backwards but that's his right.
His ignorance is real -- perhaps that's a little uncouth but it's apparent
But the point is right now you are the one calling names and if anything it weakens your argument. It's smacks of I don't have a good answer so I'm going to call you ignorant.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:43 am to MIZ_COU
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I do think he tends to start with the conclusion and work backwards but that's his right.
Is the epitome of ignorance.
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