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re: a good laugh about a traitor.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:13 am to Patton
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:13 am to Patton
Guys come on, it's not like terrorist weren't trying to capture US soldiers alive before this. If anything this may save future, actual POWs from being beheaded on camera. I'm not sure if any of y'all have seen a beheading but id be ok to let a couple terrorist go if it meant again, an actual POW doesn't have to go through that. Negotiating with terrorist is bad and sets a bad precedent but having your head sawed off with a rusty knife is worse. Those terrorist we let aren't free to just start fricking around. I'd be willing to bet we implanted them with some sort of GPS in their skin. Plus all it takes is one hellfire.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:18 am to Patton
Of one of the guys we set free gets droned, no one will negotiate with us again.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:33 am to trickydick12
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:34 am to the808bass
We spread information that he's working for us then let the Taliban do our dirty work.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:47 am to trickydick12
This guy is a traitor and he cost the lives of American soldiers. I know we had to stop all missions to look for this dirt bag.He needs to take a walk up those 13 steps at Ft. Leavenworth.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:55 am to the808bass
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Of one of the guys we set free gets droned, no one will negotiate with us again.
If he gets droned in the mountains of Pakistan they'll consider it "par for course."
And like Patton said: The only thing this ensures is that they don't saw their head off.
If you've ever seen the videos like "Dagestan 6" you'd understand that them keeping Americans alive does two things:
Gives hope to the families.
Gives us a chance to rescue the captive (like Jessica Lynch).
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:00 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
No, they won't consider it "par for the course."
I'm not saying there's any easy answers here. But you're making a facile defense of an obvious blunder.
They're not tagged. It does encourage future kidnappings. It does not advance our foreign policy interests in the region.
I'm not saying there's any easy answers here. But you're making a facile defense of an obvious blunder.
They're not tagged. It does encourage future kidnappings. It does not advance our foreign policy interests in the region.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:08 am to the808bass
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No, they won't consider it "par for the course."
Have you seen the LINK of "List of Drone Attacks In Pakistan"? If he were to be killed in the North of Pakistan, South of Afghanistan by a drone? Or even in the rest of the country? No one would ask questions at all. Maybe some conspiracy theorists, but many would say: That's the price paid for participating in combat.
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I'm not saying there's any easy answers here. But you're making a facile defense of an obvious blunder.
I think you may be underestimating our intelligence capacity quite a bit.
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They're not tagged.
See: Above.
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It does encourage future kidnappings. It does not advance our foreign policy interests in the region.
I'mma let you in on a little secret: Al-Qaeda and other Islamic militants will kidnap people whether or not we negotiate.
Al-Qaeda doesn't negotiate at all and ISIS has no qualms kidnapping them to make sacrifices on camera.
What's facile is pretending like you have a better idea of the world than the CIA does.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:22 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What's facile is pretending like you have a better idea of the world than the CIA does.
Good god man. I didn't suggest I did. And there's nothing to suggest the CIA signed off on this.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:52 am to the808bass
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Good god man. I didn't suggest I did. And there's nothing to suggest the CIA signed off on this.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:58 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Eli Lake reports in the Daily Beast that "leaders of the U.S. intelligence community and military were opposed to freeing five senior Taliban commanders in exchange for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl" in 2011 and in 2012 when Obama first explored the idea.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper "flat out rejected the release of the five detainees, saying there was too high a risk these Taliban commanders would return to the battlefield and orchestrate attacks against Americans," three U.S. intelligence officials told Lake. Then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta was against it too.
LINK
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:11 am to the808bass
"A spokesman for Clapper said that he, like others, had expressed concern about the proposal but added that 'circumstances have changed dramatically,' citing concerns about Bergdahl’s declining health, the drawdown of U.S. troops and cooperation from Qatar in monitoring the detainees after their release."
Dempsey, concerned that time was running out to make a deal for Bergdahl before the U.S. combat mission concluded at the end of this year, was searching for new ideas.
Dempsey, concerned that time was running out to make a deal for Bergdahl before the U.S. combat mission concluded at the end of this year, was searching for new ideas.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:14 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
"As for the circumstances of his capture, when he is able to provide them, we'll learn the facts," Dempsey wrote. 'Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty.'" -- I'd like to add,
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:17 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The chief points of your "arguments" seem to consist of emoticons.
I'm not sure why you're emotionally invested in defending this, but I'll let you sort it out.
I'm not sure why you're emotionally invested in defending this, but I'll let you sort it out.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:25 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Dagestan 6
frick Chechnya. They're animals. The don't deserve to live on this earth.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:25 am to Patton
quote:This. I don't have any problem with what we did.
Guys come on, it's not like terrorist weren't trying to capture US soldiers alive before this. If anything this may save future, actual POWs from being beheaded on camera.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:25 am to the808bass
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The chief points of your "arguments" seem to consist of emoticons.
I'm not sure why you're emotionally invested in defending this, but I'll let you sort it out.
Because you're cherry to politics. Hillary Clinton was also "very skeptical" afterwards, but to think that Clapper was completely anti-trade is silly.
"The first was evidence that Sergeant Bergdahl's health was deteriorating and that he may be in need of medical attention," spokesman Shawn Turner said. "Second was the fact that, as we draw down our forces in Afghanistan, we will have fewer resources available to dedicate to his recovery. Lastly, that the DNI (James Clapper) was satisfied with the assurances from the Qatari government that these five individuals will be closely monitored and subject to travel restrictions."
Did you really fricking think that President Obama would act without the Intelligence Community? Stop reading Fox News, man.
Read more: LINK -- Source is Politico.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I don't read Fox News. I don't watch it either. Ditch the stereotypes and you'll have more productive discussions.
Leon Panetta came out this week saying he had serious reservations. What was his job title? This isn't just a partisan attack on Obama. If you stop approaching it from that vantage, it will be helpful. Probably mostly to you.
Leon Panetta came out this week saying he had serious reservations. What was his job title? This isn't just a partisan attack on Obama. If you stop approaching it from that vantage, it will be helpful. Probably mostly to you.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:40 am to the808bass
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Leon Panetta came out this week saying he had serious reservations. What was his job title? This isn't just a partisan attack on Obama. If you stop approaching it from that vantage, it will be helpful. Probably mostly to you.
'Panetta repeated Obama's defense of the exchange by noting a longtime principle in the American military: “You don't leave anybody behind,” said Panetta, an Army intelligence officer in the 1960s.
The circumstances of Bergdahl's 2009 capture don't appear to be an issue for Panetta, who noted a long history of negotiating prisoner swaps.
“Sometimes people do stupid things. You still go after them,” he said.'
Yeah, he may have disagreed with the prisoner swap to some extent, but he has the same idea in mind.
How much further back you wanna move the goalposts?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:40 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Not to mention Dempsey supported it -- what is his job title?
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