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Odom and the 3-4
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:42 pm
I had mentioned this awhile back as that is what he mostly played at Memphis this past year, and laid out that we have the personnel to mix it in if we he wanted to.
Well, it appears he'll do just that. The other day I saw a quote from him saying he'd mix the 3-4 in. I think this is particularly intriguing for guys like Harris, Frazier and Newsome using their speed off the edge and gives us more ways to use Beckner and Brantley. Our 3 best lineman may be DTs next year and we could get them all on the field at the same time with this look.
I like the idea. Not a total shift, but we have the guys to run it and more looks for the offense is a good thing.
Well, it appears he'll do just that. The other day I saw a quote from him saying he'd mix the 3-4 in. I think this is particularly intriguing for guys like Harris, Frazier and Newsome using their speed off the edge and gives us more ways to use Beckner and Brantley. Our 3 best lineman may be DTs next year and we could get them all on the field at the same time with this look.
I like the idea. Not a total shift, but we have the guys to run it and more looks for the offense is a good thing.
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 5:30 am to JesusQuintana
The players I see as potential dominant 3-4 LBs are Terez Hall and Frankie Ags.
I certainly hope they don't abandon #DLineZou in any substantive manner. Not simply for the publicity and drawing card it's become, but because I'm not sure how it would hold up, long-term, in the super-sized SEC. If it's to generate a pass rush if we're struggling, great. Otherwise, I hate the idea of purposely creating an extra size mismatch up front against teams like Arkansas and Georgia.
And I really hate the idea of going a 3-4 full-time if Coach Kul eventually moves on, but if Odom loves it I could definitely see him doing it.
Does or has anyone in the SEC used a 3-4 as a base defense recently?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:36 am to Mizz-SEC
Bama, Ole Miss, UGA, & Miss State all have it as their base D.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 8:28 am to JesusQuintana
I have read in several places he played 3-4 out of necessity. His defense had a shortage of quality DL and the 3-4 was part of the solution.
If we see much 3-4 at all, I would think it would simply be an attempt to throw the other team off and give them a new look to deal with.
I agree that going to a 3-4 would waste one of our biggest strengths a bit. Coach Kul gets too much out of the material given to him to not give him 4 pieces to work with.
If we see much 3-4 at all, I would think it would simply be an attempt to throw the other team off and give them a new look to deal with.
I agree that going to a 3-4 would waste one of our biggest strengths a bit. Coach Kul gets too much out of the material given to him to not give him 4 pieces to work with.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 8:34 am to Tiger97
Stec didn't run a true 3-4 but didn't he occasionally run with 3 DL?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 8:44 am to reedus23
Pretty sure he infamously ran it a fair amount in the SEC championship against Auburn when they ran all over us. He also experimented with it some earlier that season if memory serves.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 8:45 am to JesusQuintana
Odom did not say he'd mix in the 3-4. He said he'd mix in aspects and pieces of the 3-4, which Steckel had already been doing. It isn't a major change if any.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 9:23 am to notsince98
Stec played no 3-4. Occasionally a 3-3-5 stack.
I'm missing the difference here.
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Odom did not say he'd mix in the 3-4. He said he'd mix in aspects and pieces of the 3-4
I'm missing the difference here.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 9:43 am to JesusQuintana
As long as he doesn't put the linebackers 10 yards back, I will be happy.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:48 pm to JesusQuintana
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Stec played no 3-4. Occasionally a 3-3-5 stack.
I'd suggest you start watching the team you supposedly support.
And "playing some 3-4" is completely different than incorporating some aspects.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:14 pm to notsince98
Stec's 3 front looked like a 3-3 stack to me.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:46 pm to notsince98
Maybe I would suggest the same. I don't recall running any 3-4 with Stec. I do recall running some 3-3 stack though.
We are just going to have to disagree here then, because it seems like you just want to argue.
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And "playing some 3-4" is completely different than incorporating some aspects.
We are just going to have to disagree here then, because it seems like you just want to argue.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:19 pm to eatatjoes
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Stec's 3 front looked like a 3-3 stack to me.
That is the superficial label due to the personnel used and using what everyone considered a hybrid safety instead of the traditional OLB. The players even said during the 2013 season it was a 3-4 scheme and not a 3-3. Not sure why it offended the players so much but it did.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:17 pm to notsince98
I agree that teams that use a hybrid usually come up with some special name for the defense. We don't have that position and usually bring in the nickel back. We play two types of nickel, the 3-3-5 and the 4-2-5. The back 5 are the same. I have never seen 4 LBs on the field at once. Maybe in 2012 when we tried that amoeba but I don't remember. I think that a name other than 3-4 should be used to describe what we play.
quote:By chance do you have a link? Not a big deal but just curious what context they were talking in.
The players even said during the 2013 season it was a 3-4 scheme and not a 3-3.
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