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re: Mizzou in danger of losing AAU status?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:18 am to the808bass
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:18 am to the808bass
I don't know the answer, but would assume it is down just like all applications. It would be hard to measure how many are due to the protests, but I'm sure some are.
Did the football team stop people from applying though? Seems like that is an individual choice unless football players made people not apply.
Did the football team stop people from applying though? Seems like that is an individual choice unless football players made people not apply.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:26 am to Tigersessed
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People are ok with protests if they agree with them. If they don't, it makes them mad.
BUT....this protest wasn't over anything legitimate that can have anything really done about. There are only a sliver of a minority of people who are for racism, so it is not something to protest over. There were absolutely ZERO policies or specific practices in the protest.
Planned Parenthood for example. That is a legitimate argument. People have disagreements, but there are specific policies (abortion/funding) that are being discussed. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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However you can not take people's rights just because they are on scholarship. You see the difference?
Rights don't mean you are free from consequence. No one is throwing them in jail for protesting, which is all rights entitle you to. Teams and Universities have their own expectations, BEYOND the law.
Calling the coach a retarded monkey to his face is within your rights as well...but it doesn't shield you from the consequences of saying it.
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IMO you would destroy football at Mizzou if you did that.
Not when you point out the sham the protest was. Explaining the situation would go a long ways to putting out any fire.
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I'm interested in your opinion, what is one specific example of the harm they caused?
Obviously the resignation of a man who had ZERO instances of racism in his history. They weren't criticizing his job performance, the called him racist. That is just one though.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:37 am to 5thTiger
They were protesting over their perceived lack of action regarding the acts, not the acts themselves. You may not agree with their actions and their method of delivery was not done well, but they have the right.
Seriously?
Wolfe took accountability and resigned on his own.
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No one is throwing them in jail for protesting, which is all rights entitle you to
Seriously?
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That is just one though
Wolfe took accountability and resigned on his own.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:42 am to Tigersessed
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their perceived lack of action
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perceived
This is a problem.....so now you don't need anything tangible, ummmmm like evidence, to get someone pushed out of their job.
The FB team got used like a $2 whore.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:58 am to Wtodd
That is correct, you don't need anything concrete to form your idea or agenda. Wolfe did what he thought was best, he was not forced out.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 12:40 pm to Tigersessed
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Wolfe did what he thought was best, he was not forced out.
Really? I'll bet if we asked him he'll have a different answer.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 2:31 pm to Tigersessed
I can't even wrap my head around where you are coming from here.
Yes, he was 100% forced out. That was 100% due to the football boycott. It's undeniable the effect said boycott has had on the university financially. Donations, enrollment, state funding etc.
It's done immense damage with a good chance to do more.
Yes, he was 100% forced out. That was 100% due to the football boycott. It's undeniable the effect said boycott has had on the university financially. Donations, enrollment, state funding etc.
It's done immense damage with a good chance to do more.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 2:52 pm to bayou2003
The Big Ten grabbed NU before they loss AAU status. The Big has rumored to be interested in KU and OU the next round of realignment but OU is not an AAU which has their fans concerned. I believe that is one of the rules of the Big is you have to be an AAU status. Will be interested to see how they would handle a potential OU move if they decide to get to 16.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 4:48 pm to JesusQuintana
Meh. My daughter still had a class to go to today. I had a wrestling team to follow today. Everyone needs to stop being a chicken little.
Was it a black mark? Sure
Did he resign because of it? Likely
Was he forced to? No. He may have chose to do so because he felt it best but it was still a choice. No one had a gun to his head.
Mizzou will be just fine. I'm more worried about who our next hoops coach will be but I guess my priorities and concerns in life are different
Was it a black mark? Sure
Did he resign because of it? Likely
Was he forced to? No. He may have chose to do so because he felt it best but it was still a choice. No one had a gun to his head.
Mizzou will be just fine. I'm more worried about who our next hoops coach will be but I guess my priorities and concerns in life are different
Posted on 3/18/16 at 6:34 pm to Tigersessed
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e football team stop people from applying though? Seems like that is an individual choice unless football
Are you asserting the two are unconnected?
Such a weird argument.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:01 pm to reedus23
Losing AAU status would be a BIG deal. The drop in donations is a BIG deal. I can only imagine what's being used against Odom in recruiting.
Ignoring it is one avenue you could take, but it doesn't change any of the facts.
Of course, eventually it will fade but you simply can't deny the damage it caused and losing AAU status as a result would be a massive, long term blow.
Ignoring it is one avenue you could take, but it doesn't change any of the facts.
Of course, eventually it will fade but you simply can't deny the damage it caused and losing AAU status as a result would be a massive, long term blow.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:31 pm to JesusQuintana
Is the drop in attendance and donations a 1 year blip? Or is it a start of a long term trend?
I tend to believe that if the new permanent President and Chancellor are any good that Mizzou will more than recover from all of this rather quickly.
I tend to believe that if the new permanent President and Chancellor are any good that Mizzou will more than recover from all of this rather quickly.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:48 pm to Wtodd
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Really? I'll bet if we asked him he'll have a different answer.
In his private email that leaked, he said he resigned because he thought it was best for MU. In his press conference, he said he resigned because he thought it was best for MU. I can take him at his own words or get some tin foil and decide he is a liar.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:55 pm to the808bass
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Are you asserting the two are unconnected?
For some it is, for others it isn't. For ones that do think it a factor, some think it is a big deal while others think it is small. Regardless of how they got to the decision, it is their own personal decision. The football team and/or protesters did *not* make the decision for them. Whether to apply or not is their choice. People can rationalize it however they want, but it is not a one size fits all.
Are you asserting that everybody should follow your line of reasoning only?
ETA the word *not* so it would make more sense.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 10:33 pm to Tigersessed
Without the football team getting roped in, he doesn't resign over this. Period. Cause and effect.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:16 pm to JesusQuintana
I'm sure this is also reported elsewhere, but per this KMOX story ( LINK) the head of the Mizzou alumni association is encouraging alumni to write their Missouri legislators to push them to keep funding levels up and not rescind the current state statute preventing other state universities from offering professional and graduate degree programs duplicating those at MU. Keeping AAU status is prominently referred to.
Regardless of how rightfully annoyed one may have been about how the old administration handled things last fall, I think most if not all can agree now is not the time to pile on and make a bad situation worse. We're sending letters; encourage others to do so, too.
Regardless of how rightfully annoyed one may have been about how the old administration handled things last fall, I think most if not all can agree now is not the time to pile on and make a bad situation worse. We're sending letters; encourage others to do so, too.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:47 pm to Tigersessed
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another poster: If I were coach, anyone who participated in that BS protest would be suspended or off the team.
You: IMO you would destroy football at Mizzou if you did that.
Using your same line of reasoning, it couldn't hurt the football team. The coach suspending players for protesting wouldn't force anyone to come or not come. All those football players would make their own decisions. The punishment for "striking" (LOL) therefore couldn't have any causative impact at all.
And that's why your argument blows. Because it's patently false and it's not even consistent with the rest of your statements in this thread.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 6:12 pm to the808bass
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Using your same line of reasoning, it couldn't hurt the football team. The coach suspending players for protesting wouldn't force anyone to come or not come. All those football players would make their own decisions. The punishment for "striking" (LOL) therefore couldn't have any causative impact at all.
And that's why your argument blows. Because it's patently false and it's not even consistent with the rest of your statements in this thread.
Your comparison is way off. I have argued in this thread that the reaction to the act is what causes damage, not the act. So if players do not come, that reaction would damage the team. I would also argue that Odom did not make those people not join the team, and if they did not, it was their decision. People can rationalize it however they want, but it is their decision. Your what if scenario is the exact same situation to what we discussed prior, just the cause of damage is from a different source. I don't believe I ever said there was no causative effect, in fact I even said some applications would be down because of the protest.
Also are you comparing people reacting to punishment for exercising their rights is the same as people reacting to others exercising their rights? That is dumb.
I have tried to make several points in this thread and one is accountability to your own decisions rather than blaming others for "making" you do that. Your first couple of responses lacked any intelligent thought and your last one showed a lack of comprehension to what was being discussed. That's why your argument blows.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 6:30 am to the808bass
I don't guess we'll ever know definitively, but if there were enough players to field a team vs. BYU Pinkel's move should have been to voice support for the "striking" players, not suspend them, and say we're playing the game with the players on hand.
The tap dancing that has to be done to not get labeled a racist (with the all-too predictable faux outrage) has become laughable. Pinkel didn't think it through and it cost him his job and the University dearly.
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