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Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:47 pm to KCMIZSEC
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the great diversity you will find in Missouri
pretty sure Garry Templeton would say they're both cowtowns.
We could have a great debate on who is the 'most' cowtown, well, you can, I'll just watch.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:19 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:54 pm to Jagd Tiger
I can't remember anyone calling SL a cowtown.
No doubt, KC once had a large stock yard and destination for cattle drives from southwest and west ranches. But anyone calling either city a cowtown now is just trying to ruffle some feathers.
No doubt, KC once had a large stock yard and destination for cattle drives from southwest and west ranches. But anyone calling either city a cowtown now is just trying to ruffle some feathers.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:05 pm to Bogie00
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I can't remember anyone calling SL a cowtown.
Garry says hello. Well my memory says it was Templeton giving STL a parting shot when he was traded away, but the all knowing oracle(the internet) says it was Chilli Davis that called the Lou a cowtown, ah well believe who you will.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 5:26 pm to Stlox
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I grew up in KC, went to Mizzou, then moved to St. Louis and have lived here for over 30yrs.
St. Louis refuses to acknowledge KC, and competes with Chicago. But truth be known, Chicago refuses to acknowledge St. Louis.
So KC has short-man syndrome towards St. Louis, and St. Louis has short-man syndrome to Chicago.
I have likes and hates of both towns.
KC is more progressive, has more "new money", and was smart to grab as much of Jackson and Clay county for the City.
St. Louis is bigger, has more to do and I prefer the location closer east.
The bad thing about KC is stares out to the barren wasteland to the west.
The bad thing about StL is the "old money". That is, StL was the 4th largest city in US, 110yrs ago and falling ever since. "Old money" are people that have made their money and cashed out, living on their portfolios. St. Louis is also mired in these little fiefdom towns that spend most efforts trying to steal another fiefdom's business than working together to bring in out of area business.
KC is western. Hearing "Howdy" is common. You'd never hear that in StL.
StL is eastern. You'll hear "Soda", instead of "Pop". Plus, apparently we think all Indianians are white trash. Only place you will hear white trash referred to as "Hoosiers".
Great post. Highly accurate.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 5:30 pm to MizzouJim
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No matter which city I lived in I would visit the other for what they have that is unique.
Yes. There's quite a bit going on in KC that I'd like to see, but where to find the time.
All I know is Knuckleheads has tons of concerts that seem to bypass St. Louis and I'm pissed about it.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:52 pm to KCMIZSEC
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I don't know anyone who considers St. Joe as part of the KC metro area. Platte City is about as far north as I'd go, and I even feel like that is stretching it a bit.
I would say 15-20 yrs ago that would be a correct statement. St Joe has a lot or workers who commute to KCMO metro and in many cases is an easier commute than say Oak Grove, S Johnson Co, Belton/Raymore, also KCMO media dominates radio and TV in St Joe, lets not forget Chiefs training camp. Some of the items that define a metro area is workers who commute and media
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:04 pm to JoeMoTiger
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:10 pm to Stlox
I seriously think the whole Mizzou board rivalry stems from those of us Columbians/Mizzou students that don't come from either city.
When it comes to Columbia, it's 125 miles to either city. I always preferred Kansas City because I liked it a lot more for the city atmosphere in the places I got to visit. It also didn't hurt that TWA had their hub at STL and it was super expensive to fly out of STL vs MCI.
I think that's where it all stems from. Sure, there's the World Series thing and the minor rivalry between normal people in the cities, but it just seems bigger in the Mizzou world because Columbia is so centrally located.
When it comes to Columbia, it's 125 miles to either city. I always preferred Kansas City because I liked it a lot more for the city atmosphere in the places I got to visit. It also didn't hurt that TWA had their hub at STL and it was super expensive to fly out of STL vs MCI.
I think that's where it all stems from. Sure, there's the World Series thing and the minor rivalry between normal people in the cities, but it just seems bigger in the Mizzou world because Columbia is so centrally located.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:20 pm to Jagd Tiger
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Garry says hello. Well my memory says it was Templeton giving STL a parting shot when he was traded away, but the all knowing oracle(the internet) says it was Chilli Davis that called the Lou a cowtown, ah well believe who you will
It was Chili Daivs. And then Jeffrey Leonard tried showing us up by running around the bases with one flap down (an arm down at his side) when he'd hit a home run.
Templeton flipped the fans the bird and Whitey Herzog physically grabbed him on the first step of the dugout.
A year later Ozzie Smith was our new shortstop and the renaissance of Cardinal baseball began.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:54 pm to Mizzeaux
I do think you hit the nail on the head regarding Mizzou being the link. I am from KC area and other than Senior trip to St Louis, never heard much or thought much about the Gateway.
But when I went to Mizzou quickly learned to spot the SL kids. My roommate was from St Charles.
But when I went to Mizzou quickly learned to spot the SL kids. My roommate was from St Charles.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:16 pm to Bogie00
When you're in Columbia it's an easy decision. Do you drive 125 miles to Kansas City or do you drive 125 miles to St Louis?
It puts a lot of people in a position to have to choose. Columbia residents, Mizzou students, everyone.
It's a decision that really nobody else in the state has to make. There's not some kid in Sedalia advocating for St. Louis over Kansas City, it's what's close.
It puts a lot of people in a position to have to choose. Columbia residents, Mizzou students, everyone.
It's a decision that really nobody else in the state has to make. There's not some kid in Sedalia advocating for St. Louis over Kansas City, it's what's close.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:51 am to Stlox
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quote: I would say 15-20 yrs ago that would be a correct statement.
You are stretching it bigtime. I know people that commute to Chicago from South Bend IN, but in no way is South Bend considered part of Chicagoland.
With all due respect, a Saint Joe fan who lives there says he considers it part of the KC MO area, you are from (or are still in) Saint Louis and you disagree? I think he knows where he lives a little better than you.
By the way, South Bend is almost in Michigan and is almost twice as far away from Chicago as St. Joe is from KC, so not really comparable.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:56 am to JoeMoTiger
St. Joe is reasonably close to KC, but it's still almost an hour drive up the interstate. Leavenworth and Lawrence (I think) are both closer to KC, and I wouldn't consider them part of the metro area either.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:05 am to KCMIZSEC
Valid point from KC proper, but it's not that far from from the northern suburbs, which have continued to expand over the years.
With regard to those other towns in Kansas, there is not much between the outlying suburbs of KC and Lawrence, for example. Some day they may be part of the metroplex, but not today.
FWIW, Leavenworth and Lawrence are BOTH considered part of KC's CSA (consolidated statistical area), according to the U.S. Government.
With regard to those other towns in Kansas, there is not much between the outlying suburbs of KC and Lawrence, for example. Some day they may be part of the metroplex, but not today.
FWIW, Leavenworth and Lawrence are BOTH considered part of KC's CSA (consolidated statistical area), according to the U.S. Government.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:42 am to MizzouJim
Yeah. The CSA is huge on both sides. STL's includes Troy and Farmington.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:23 pm to MizzouJim
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With all due respect, a Saint Joe fan who lives there says he considers it part of the KC MO area, you are from (or are still in) Saint Louis and you disagree? I think he knows where he lives a little better than you.
There are two sets of Statistics. CSA and MSA. If you would have looked at my links, I've been talking about MSA. That's all I've ever been talking about in these posts. St. Louis is much more compact.
Take your pick:
MSA 2.0mil for KC 2.8mil for StL
CSA 2.4mil for KC 2.9mil for StL
Perhaps its just me, but I would consider the CSA areas as just feeders to the Metro.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:07 am to Mizz-SEC
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.... and the renaissance of Cardinal baseball began.
some of us would say the renaissance of Cards baseball started with Whitey leaving cowtown1 for cowtown2.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 5:18 pm to Jagd Tiger
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some of us would say the renaissance of Cards baseball started with Whitey leaving cowtown1 for cowtown2.
Very correct.
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