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re: KA takes the low road on the way out
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:05 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:05 pm to JesusQuintana
No one held a gun to his head when he took the job. He should have tipped his hat to his players, acknowledged that it didn't go as planned, and headed down to Puckett's for a plate of brisket, smoked Gouda mac n cheese, and a beer.
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:18 pm to Wtodd
When they hired Kim, folks weren't exactly lining up to take the job. Now they may have had a good chance at hiring an up-and-comer mid-major (which would probably have been the right hire in hindsight), but I don't think there were any established high-major coaches that were willing to take on this mess. Couldn't pay Marshall enough, C. Martin had just taken a different job and couldn't hire someone like Howland/Sampson because of the NCAA baggage. I don't think he was their best option, but they didn't have markedly better options.
Today, the roster is solidified (it's not great but I think they've recruited well enough that they'll at least provide depth in years 2 and 3 of the next guy that comes in with higher ceiling players) and they're at least talking about poaching someone from another high-major program.
I think he was essentially right in that his job turned out to be the guy who was supposed to make the program healthy enough, roster-wise, reputation-wise with the NCAA, to hire someone better in a few years. And he did that. Turned out he was not the guy to take it to the next level, but I really do think the program is in better shape than it was when he got here.
To take my crappy analogies to the next level, in Haith's last year I think the tree had tons of green leaves but the roots were rotting; now I think it's the opposite. Yeah, all the leaves have fallen off the tree and it looks like garbage, but the roots are solid and here very soon, with the right guy at the helm, the damn thing may actually start growing again.
Today, the roster is solidified (it's not great but I think they've recruited well enough that they'll at least provide depth in years 2 and 3 of the next guy that comes in with higher ceiling players) and they're at least talking about poaching someone from another high-major program.
I think he was essentially right in that his job turned out to be the guy who was supposed to make the program healthy enough, roster-wise, reputation-wise with the NCAA, to hire someone better in a few years. And he did that. Turned out he was not the guy to take it to the next level, but I really do think the program is in better shape than it was when he got here.
To take my crappy analogies to the next level, in Haith's last year I think the tree had tons of green leaves but the roots were rotting; now I think it's the opposite. Yeah, all the leaves have fallen off the tree and it looks like garbage, but the roots are solid and here very soon, with the right guy at the helm, the damn thing may actually start growing again.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:28 pm to NEMizzou
Ya a decent coach, with maybe a solid late pickup should be able to get at least a .500 record next year.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
I think you need to address your own personal issues and maybe how you view your own place in this world.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 2:26 pm to seaniec04
I'm not saying he doesn't know how to coach. I'm saying he was in way over his head here. He doesn't have the capacity to handle a job like this and that's painfully obvious.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:54 pm to the808bass
quote:Cool. Maybe we can get him back. Hope Sterk is talking to him
What did Haith leave, specifically, that is in better shape now?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:07 pm to JesusQuintana
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I'm not saying he doesn't know how to coach. I'm saying he was in way over his head here. He doesn't have the capacity to handle a job like this and that's painfully obvious.
I agree. He may bleed black and gold but he was in so far over his head he couldn't see daylight. KA was a perfect example of the dreaded Peter Principle. Someone great at their lower level job who is woefully unable to perform at their current level.
KA was a solid lower division coach and he was good at that job. Now its obvious that was his ceiling. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:08 pm to MIZ_COU
Haith sucked too. We just happened to find a coach that was actually worse after he left.
Let's try going the other direction this time.
Let's try going the other direction this time.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:15 pm to JesusQuintana
Why in the frick are we arguing about KA and Haith?
We've got bigger fish to fry.
Who gives a shite about two coaches that history will forget?
We've got bigger fish to fry.
Who gives a shite about two coaches that history will forget?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:22 pm to JAGsports
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nothing to work with
I call BS on that part. Some issues? Sure. Anymore than so many other schools? Not a chance.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:24 pm to JAGsports
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KA had a roster full of thugs.
Every single roster in America has some thugs on it. Some good guys but some thugs. They all don't suck arse because of it. Quit with the excuses. I like Kim Anderson. Alot. As a person. He was horrible as a head coach at Mizzou.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:29 pm to the808bass
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Fan support? Nyet
Roster? Lololololol
Staff? Bahahahahahahahahahaha
Revenue? Trololololol
Relationship to the NCAA? Eh. Maybe.
Perception of the program? No.
Recruits? Not even
Relationships to HS coaches and AAU teams? No (and Haith wasn't good at this)
Better posture? Si
Proper etiquette at the dinner table? Yeppers
Walking in a single file line down the hallway to the bathroom? Likely.
FIFY
Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:30 pm to JAGsports
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The roster is comparable. Could be better
This roster is no where close to what KA had when he started. Fact.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:32 pm to the808bass
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I agree. He isn't the worst coach ever.
Well, now I might have to disagree with you 808.
When did you become a kool aid drinker?
Posted on 3/11/17 at 10:23 pm to NEMizzou
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Howland/Sampson because of the NCAA baggage
Zero NCAA baggage with Howland.
Posted on 3/11/17 at 10:42 pm to reedus23
Except for JW3 the roster was absolute shite when he started. May be even shittier now. But at least the guys want to play and fight. And this one can be built off of. Unlike Haith's piece of shite roster
This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 3/12/17 at 7:16 pm to JesusQuintana
He was handed the keys to a dumpster fire.
He was the wrong person at the wrong time, and Alden did it for spite.
Had He taken over for Suitcase, i think he would of has more success, but it was going to be a cluster fark after that shithead Haith took over and left the dumpster fire.
It is what it is, and time to move on.
He was the wrong person at the wrong time, and Alden did it for spite.
Had He taken over for Suitcase, i think he would of has more success, but it was going to be a cluster fark after that shithead Haith took over and left the dumpster fire.
It is what it is, and time to move on.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:23 pm to MIZ_COU
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Except for JW3 the roster was absolute shite
We'll just agree to disagree. I think with the right coach, JW3, Clark, Gant, Wright could have been a decent base to work with. Wasn't the most talented kid around but attitude and work ethic doesn't get much better than Rosburg's. Unfortunately, we'll never know.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:42 pm to reedus23
Exactly. There was talent on that squad. Enough talent to be a lot better than we were. Then you add in the fact that KA couldn't hold onto any of it.
You think Puryear, Gant, J3, Woods, Wright, Barnett, Walton, Phillips, Hughes might have been a pretty good squad?
You think Puryear, Gant, J3, Woods, Wright, Barnett, Walton, Phillips, Hughes might have been a pretty good squad?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:18 am to JesusQuintana
NCAA is about recruiting. Kim can't recruit. He couldn't even get people from St.Louis or KC to come to Mizzou. The guy had 3 years to clean house and bring in his own guys. His guys can't hit the broadside of a barn. Say he stayed and won 12-15 games next year. Year five he wins 15-18. Year 6 he breaks 20 wins. 7 fricking years to get back to the NIT? Yea no thanks.
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