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re: I think I'm done fellas. The hiring of BO may have made me quit.

Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:35 am to
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
17284 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:35 am to
To be fair, it took Pinkel 3 years to put a winning team on the field. Took Smith a few years too. Unfortunately, there's usually some rough waves to ride out with most new coaches. I don't mean to sound like a sunshine pumper, but it's true.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:38 am to
Sure. That's what y'all told us after Kim's first year.

And after his second.
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
17284 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:48 am to
Anderson was almost 60 when he was hired, so I pretty much knew he was just a warm body. After Year One, I didn't defend him much. If at all.
Posted by MIZZOU_JP
Member since Apr 2015
1813 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 1:47 am to
It's just college football people. Relax!
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 3:07 am to
Pretty weak, but do you.

As I've said repeatedly our fan base sucks. It's always going to be Mizzou's biggest issue.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:01 am to
The reality is last years recruiting class was terrible. You guys can spin the rankings however you want them, but unless Mizzou can get a guy who can secure the borders and bring in 4 star talent we're going to continue to be mediocre in the SEC.
Posted by countrygrammar
Ohio
Member since Oct 2013
394 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:47 am to
quote:

The reality is last years recruiting class was terrible. You guys can spin the rankings however you want them, but unless Mizzou can get a guy who can secure the borders and bring in 4 star talent we're going to continue to be mediocre in the SEC.


Since we are talking reality. Do you really think we, Missouri, can hire a coach that can lock down boarders and recruit consistent 4 star talent in the SEC? Recognizing that we don't cheat to the extent as other national programs, we don't have support during lean years that impacts recruiting pitches, and we have facilities in the bottom half of the conference?
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:22 am to
Yes because we have SEC money.

Money rules all, if you're willing to pay the money you can get whatever level coach you want.

Odom is the lowest paid SEC coach. Open the checkbook like we did for basketball.
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 8:24 am
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:24 am to
Who knows honestly. That's the big thing isn't it? Martin came in after a veritable dumpster fire of a program that had multiple bad coaches, coaches leaving in the night, coaches with allegations, and coaches in way over their heads.

Gets the #4 class in the country. Granted it's apples and oranges, FB and BB.

BO isn't enough the talent developer Pinkel was which was what kept us competitive with a ranking that probably averaged around 30 or so. And it's clear he's worse at the Xs and Os than Pinkel which is really bad.

He also doesn't seem to hold players accountable.

It's not so much getting the best coach as it is THE coach IMO for this program.

Barry ain't it mate. He's bottom barrel.

No reason we shouldn't get at least an above average coach.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:37 am to
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BO isn't enough the talent developer Pinkel was which was what kept us competitive with a ranking that probably averaged around 30 or so. And it's clear he's worse at the Xs and Os than Pinkel which is really bad.

There's no way of knowing that BOs not the talent developer that GP was. He's been here 14 games. He also has 13 defensive players in the 2017 class that have played already.
From an X and Os standpoint this team seems to make some of the same type mistakes that the first couple of GP teams made.
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:49 am to
And I have no desire to wait for difinitive proof on that.

He's had many of these players for awhile now. Whether they were the last of GP's or not, the same mental midget/fundamental football IQ issues pop up.

He couldn't even install his own D system. That tells me he can't or doesn't have any idea of how to get kids to buy into his spiel.

They like him because he honestly seems like a pushover. At least, he's J'Mon Moores pushover.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:53 am to
He didn't recruit one 4 star last year.

All I really need to know.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:14 am to
I get the feeling that most of this site would have had GP fired before he made his breakthrough in year 5.

I'm willing to let the season play out, and see how they play/develop throughout the season.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:29 am to
Shocking.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:33 am to
Comparing the team that Pinkel inherited isn't even in the same ballpark.

Odom last season had NFL draft picks on defense and couldn't coach them to tackle a naked girl.
Posted by TigerTalker16
Columbia,MO
Member since Apr 2015
11533 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Odom last season had NFL draft picks on defense and couldn't coach them to tackle a naked girl.

How can that be? We promoted him to HC from the DC position.
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:53 am to
That isn't the point.

GP raised this program to respectability. We suffered the first few years, then enjoyed probably the best run of football the program has ever seen. GP got us those stadium upgrades and into the SEC.

His work and struggle was so we wouldn't have to put up with hat bullshite again.

But here we are again, with some still perfectly content to ride out a mediocre HC with zero experience in the toughest conference in the land.

After the GP years, this program should hold itself to a higher standard than Barry Odom.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 10:35 am to
quote:

He didn't recruit one 4 star last year.


Byers is a 4 star.
Davis was a 4 star, though was academically ineligible. If he gets his test score up he will be here in January.
Elliot the Texas transfer was also a 4 star recruit.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 10:57 am to
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To be fair, it took Pinkel 3 years to put a winning team on the field.
Yes this is true. I'd be willing to give BO the time to do it, but you are assuming he can do it. I no longer am. He's not recruiting well, and you could come up with a number of reasons why that is and how it could improve, but the thing that really worries me is what he does with the talent he has, which is not terrible. They just play like they are poorly coached. The only games they have won is when they have a big talent advantage. If the talent is roughly equal (like yesterday) he tends to get beat badly. His high water mark as HC was the Georgia game last year, a game which he had won until he was outcoached. It's been downhill from there.

You could see progress with Pinkle, BO is going backward. I think it is likely we go 0-8 in the SEC this year. It's really starting to feel like KA 2.0. Nice guy, true son, lots of enthusiasm; but not up to the task
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 11:10 am to
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lots of enthusiasm


Don't see it.
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