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re: I think I'm done fellas. The hiring of BO may have made me quit.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:35 am to reedus23
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:35 am to reedus23
To be fair, it took Pinkel 3 years to put a winning team on the field. Took Smith a few years too. Unfortunately, there's usually some rough waves to ride out with most new coaches. I don't mean to sound like a sunshine pumper, but it's true.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:38 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Sure. That's what y'all told us after Kim's first year.
And after his second.
And after his second.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 12:48 am to the808bass
Anderson was almost 60 when he was hired, so I pretty much knew he was just a warm body. After Year One, I didn't defend him much. If at all.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 1:47 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
It's just college football people. Relax!
Posted on 9/10/17 at 3:07 am to Remote Controlled
Pretty weak, but do you.
As I've said repeatedly our fan base sucks. It's always going to be Mizzou's biggest issue.
As I've said repeatedly our fan base sucks. It's always going to be Mizzou's biggest issue.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:01 am to Remote Controlled
The reality is last years recruiting class was terrible. You guys can spin the rankings however you want them, but unless Mizzou can get a guy who can secure the borders and bring in 4 star talent we're going to continue to be mediocre in the SEC.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:47 am to TigerCruise
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The reality is last years recruiting class was terrible. You guys can spin the rankings however you want them, but unless Mizzou can get a guy who can secure the borders and bring in 4 star talent we're going to continue to be mediocre in the SEC.
Since we are talking reality. Do you really think we, Missouri, can hire a coach that can lock down boarders and recruit consistent 4 star talent in the SEC? Recognizing that we don't cheat to the extent as other national programs, we don't have support during lean years that impacts recruiting pitches, and we have facilities in the bottom half of the conference?
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:22 am to countrygrammar
Yes because we have SEC money.
Money rules all, if you're willing to pay the money you can get whatever level coach you want.
Odom is the lowest paid SEC coach. Open the checkbook like we did for basketball.
Money rules all, if you're willing to pay the money you can get whatever level coach you want.
Odom is the lowest paid SEC coach. Open the checkbook like we did for basketball.
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Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:24 am to countrygrammar
Who knows honestly. That's the big thing isn't it? Martin came in after a veritable dumpster fire of a program that had multiple bad coaches, coaches leaving in the night, coaches with allegations, and coaches in way over their heads.
Gets the #4 class in the country. Granted it's apples and oranges, FB and BB.
BO isn't enough the talent developer Pinkel was which was what kept us competitive with a ranking that probably averaged around 30 or so. And it's clear he's worse at the Xs and Os than Pinkel which is really bad.
He also doesn't seem to hold players accountable.
It's not so much getting the best coach as it is THE coach IMO for this program.
Barry ain't it mate. He's bottom barrel.
No reason we shouldn't get at least an above average coach.
Gets the #4 class in the country. Granted it's apples and oranges, FB and BB.
BO isn't enough the talent developer Pinkel was which was what kept us competitive with a ranking that probably averaged around 30 or so. And it's clear he's worse at the Xs and Os than Pinkel which is really bad.
He also doesn't seem to hold players accountable.
It's not so much getting the best coach as it is THE coach IMO for this program.
Barry ain't it mate. He's bottom barrel.
No reason we shouldn't get at least an above average coach.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:37 am to Athos
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BO isn't enough the talent developer Pinkel was which was what kept us competitive with a ranking that probably averaged around 30 or so. And it's clear he's worse at the Xs and Os than Pinkel which is really bad.
There's no way of knowing that BOs not the talent developer that GP was. He's been here 14 games. He also has 13 defensive players in the 2017 class that have played already.
From an X and Os standpoint this team seems to make some of the same type mistakes that the first couple of GP teams made.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:49 am to wubilli
And I have no desire to wait for difinitive proof on that.
He's had many of these players for awhile now. Whether they were the last of GP's or not, the same mental midget/fundamental football IQ issues pop up.
He couldn't even install his own D system. That tells me he can't or doesn't have any idea of how to get kids to buy into his spiel.
They like him because he honestly seems like a pushover. At least, he's J'Mon Moores pushover.
He's had many of these players for awhile now. Whether they were the last of GP's or not, the same mental midget/fundamental football IQ issues pop up.
He couldn't even install his own D system. That tells me he can't or doesn't have any idea of how to get kids to buy into his spiel.
They like him because he honestly seems like a pushover. At least, he's J'Mon Moores pushover.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:53 am to wubilli
He didn't recruit one 4 star last year.
All I really need to know.
All I really need to know.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:14 am to Athos
I get the feeling that most of this site would have had GP fired before he made his breakthrough in year 5.
I'm willing to let the season play out, and see how they play/develop throughout the season.
I'm willing to let the season play out, and see how they play/develop throughout the season.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:33 am to wubilli
Comparing the team that Pinkel inherited isn't even in the same ballpark.
Odom last season had NFL draft picks on defense and couldn't coach them to tackle a naked girl.
Odom last season had NFL draft picks on defense and couldn't coach them to tackle a naked girl.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:41 am to TigerCruise
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Odom last season had NFL draft picks on defense and couldn't coach them to tackle a naked girl.
How can that be? We promoted him to HC from the DC position.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:53 am to wubilli
That isn't the point.
GP raised this program to respectability. We suffered the first few years, then enjoyed probably the best run of football the program has ever seen. GP got us those stadium upgrades and into the SEC.
His work and struggle was so we wouldn't have to put up with hat bullshite again.
But here we are again, with some still perfectly content to ride out a mediocre HC with zero experience in the toughest conference in the land.
After the GP years, this program should hold itself to a higher standard than Barry Odom.
GP raised this program to respectability. We suffered the first few years, then enjoyed probably the best run of football the program has ever seen. GP got us those stadium upgrades and into the SEC.
His work and struggle was so we wouldn't have to put up with hat bullshite again.
But here we are again, with some still perfectly content to ride out a mediocre HC with zero experience in the toughest conference in the land.
After the GP years, this program should hold itself to a higher standard than Barry Odom.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 10:35 am to TigerCruise
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He didn't recruit one 4 star last year.
Byers is a 4 star.
Davis was a 4 star, though was academically ineligible. If he gets his test score up he will be here in January.
Elliot the Texas transfer was also a 4 star recruit.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 10:57 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
quote:Yes this is true. I'd be willing to give BO the time to do it, but you are assuming he can do it. I no longer am. He's not recruiting well, and you could come up with a number of reasons why that is and how it could improve, but the thing that really worries me is what he does with the talent he has, which is not terrible. They just play like they are poorly coached. The only games they have won is when they have a big talent advantage. If the talent is roughly equal (like yesterday) he tends to get beat badly. His high water mark as HC was the Georgia game last year, a game which he had won until he was outcoached. It's been downhill from there.
To be fair, it took Pinkel 3 years to put a winning team on the field.
You could see progress with Pinkle, BO is going backward. I think it is likely we go 0-8 in the SEC this year. It's really starting to feel like KA 2.0. Nice guy, true son, lots of enthusiasm; but not up to the task
Posted on 9/10/17 at 11:10 am to MIZ_COU
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lots of enthusiasm
Don't see it.
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