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How Deep Is the Hole?
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:51 am
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:51 am
and how long will it take a new HC to dig out of it?
The melt (especially by the anti-SJW faction) is roaring like a funeral pyre over on the TB.
By any objective standard the OL is a two year rebuild, at minimum.
What else? Do you see us getting our teeth kicked in for the next year or two or even longer?
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 8:47 am to Mizz-SEC
I don't think next year is pretty.
My only hope is that we did such a bad job evaluating talent on offense that there's some good players who didn't play.
The year after that may be a little like last year without all the wins. But, yeah, I'd be looking at a two year rebuild.
My only hope is that we did such a bad job evaluating talent on offense that there's some good players who didn't play.
The year after that may be a little like last year without all the wins. But, yeah, I'd be looking at a two year rebuild.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 8:48 am to Mizz-SEC
WB & WR should be decent to good next year. Strong, Doughrty, & Abbington (if he stays, now that there will be a new staff) should be able to form a solid RB combo. The only real question is OL a good OL coach & OC can get a functional offense going even without a good OL.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 8:57 am to Mizz-SEC
Gator fans were asking the same thing a year ago.
No doubt the program in COMO is in a hole, the first thing we need to do is stop digging it deeper. IMO, there is NO way that MU is going to beat the Pigs next Friday. Especially with the offensive scheme they've been butchering all season.
I'm for firing Henson and Ricker TODAY, and replacing them with a grad assistant. Any grad assistant or an intramural team coach. Or a statue of Dan Devine.
Several times in the TN game, the camera was on Lock as he went to the sidelines. He looked like he was pissed and said something to Henson, who just turned and walked away. I saw this happen on 2 consecutive 3 and outs.
No doubt the program in COMO is in a hole, the first thing we need to do is stop digging it deeper. IMO, there is NO way that MU is going to beat the Pigs next Friday. Especially with the offensive scheme they've been butchering all season.
I'm for firing Henson and Ricker TODAY, and replacing them with a grad assistant. Any grad assistant or an intramural team coach. Or a statue of Dan Devine.
Several times in the TN game, the camera was on Lock as he went to the sidelines. He looked like he was pissed and said something to Henson, who just turned and walked away. I saw this happen on 2 consecutive 3 and outs.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 9:04 am to the808bass
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I don't think next year is pretty.
Agreed 100%. Ask yourself, about whom in the offense are we saying, "Man oh man, I can't wait to see XXX next year."
or
"Glad XXX is back next year. We can build the offense around him"
Not pretty, indeed.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 9:06 am to MizzouPhoto
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I'm for firing Henson and Ricker TODAY, and replacing them with a grad assistant. Any grad assistant or an intramural team coach. Or a statue of Dan Devine.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 9:12 am to MizzouPhoto
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in the TN game, the camera was on Lock as he went to the sidelines. He looked like he was pissed and said something to Henson, who just turned and walked away. I saw this happen on 2 consecutive 3 and outs.
Henson is in the booth, not the sidelines. Andy Hill the WB coach is the guy that talks to Lock on the sidelines.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 9:18 am to Literalist
Influx of talent with Johnathan Johnson, Justin Smith, Doherty, Strong and another year of Cam Hilton. Maybe a new coach can figure out a way to use Ray Wingo effectively.
The OL is obviously the big question, but we have the pieces to be good next year if we get the right staff in place.
I honestly don't think it's much of a rebuild at all assuming we don't lose a bunch of guys.
The OL is obviously the big question, but we have the pieces to be good next year if we get the right staff in place.
I honestly don't think it's much of a rebuild at all assuming we don't lose a bunch of guys.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:36 am to JesusQuintana
You just named 4 guys with zero experience and 1 that has 1/2 a season. I wouldn't get expectations high next year. Maybe 2-3 years
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:49 am to reedus23
It all depends on the OL. And the development of Lock. He is talented enough that if he develops just a little bit the offense can recover next year. Just need a line that can block.
Also TJ Moe had something like 2 catches his freshman year, he exploded to over 100 his sophomore year. Egnew was a junior when he did the same.
Also TJ Moe had something like 2 catches his freshman year, he exploded to over 100 his sophomore year. Egnew was a junior when he did the same.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:51 am to reedus23
Next years schedule is brutal. 6-6 would be good.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:31 am to TigerCruise
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Fatony
Only in his perfect weather conditions.
If the coaches are too afraid to play the 2nd and 3rd team OL players after seeing these OL starters in ELEVEN games...2016 will be solid trash.
It all starts with blocking.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:37 am to Mizzou Mule
Pendelton and Adams played well last night when they were in, better than Chappell and Hall. I don't understand why we don't play Rhodes more, but he has had some injuries. I really think Ricker has no idea what he's doing, he's just playing to oldest players because they are older. The last several years the "best player plays" has went out the window and been replaced with the oldest player plays. See Matt White, Leftwich, Chappell, McNulty, Hall, etc. No excuse for those guys playing so much.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:00 pm to Mizz-SEC
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how long will it take a new HC to dig out of it?
Basically GP is leaving the program like he found it.
The offense is in shambles.
It's so horrific that having an elite defense doesn't even matter.
Think about that.
This will take a few years, I didn't see much talent on offense last night, if any at all.
The program could easily spiral downward even more, some of you may get to see what it was like to be a Mizzou fan in the dark times. God I hope not...
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:03 pm to Mizz-SEC
This melt is a study in overreaction. Did any of you actually expect to win last night? Against a good Tennessee team? Why? Our only chance was for an emotional, play-above-heir-heads victory, which we got the week before at Arrowhead. That was our shining moment of the season.
This team is fatally flawed on offense. Period. It starts with an OL that couldn't block the Pillsbury Doughboy. That's primarily on coaching, not the players. It's further impacted by a group of young receivers who can't run a route - again, coaching primarily. And by a beat-up RB unit - and for some inexplicable reason (to us) the coaches don't play the backs with the best stats/visible upside. COACHES. And the final nail in the offensive coffin is a talented but extremely green 18 year old QB who's just not ready to hold that mess together. The team is lacking in coaching effectiveness and player leadership. It is what it is.
This team is a story of a great defense wasted.
How deep is the hole? Next year probably isn't pretty, as 808 said. Probably won't go bowling then either. BUT, the defense could be better. We return the full line, plus Brantley. The potential is there. A strong defense will keep us in every game, and a marginally improved offense should win a few of them. It boils down to coaching. Hiring a top-notch OC is almost as important as the HC hire.
The next coach will have his hands full, no doubt. But to act like there are no bright spots at all is just melt. Pure and simple.
This team is fatally flawed on offense. Period. It starts with an OL that couldn't block the Pillsbury Doughboy. That's primarily on coaching, not the players. It's further impacted by a group of young receivers who can't run a route - again, coaching primarily. And by a beat-up RB unit - and for some inexplicable reason (to us) the coaches don't play the backs with the best stats/visible upside. COACHES. And the final nail in the offensive coffin is a talented but extremely green 18 year old QB who's just not ready to hold that mess together. The team is lacking in coaching effectiveness and player leadership. It is what it is.
This team is a story of a great defense wasted.
How deep is the hole? Next year probably isn't pretty, as 808 said. Probably won't go bowling then either. BUT, the defense could be better. We return the full line, plus Brantley. The potential is there. A strong defense will keep us in every game, and a marginally improved offense should win a few of them. It boils down to coaching. Hiring a top-notch OC is almost as important as the HC hire.
The next coach will have his hands full, no doubt. But to act like there are no bright spots at all is just melt. Pure and simple.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:32 pm to Remote Controlled
Leaving the program like he found it? Lol, what an overreaction!
The cupboard is far from bare.
We return the vast majority of our defense. We also had several talented skill player RS. Last year was probably his best class he ever signed.
The new coach will have talent to work with.
The cupboard is far from bare.
We return the vast majority of our defense. We also had several talented skill player RS. Last year was probably his best class he ever signed.
The new coach will have talent to work with.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:35 pm to semotruman
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Next year probably isn't pretty, as 808 said. Probably won't go bowling then either.
It won't take that much of an improvement on offense to get to 6-6. The defense should return 8 starters. And based on Rhodes last football hire we should get a good coach.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:43 pm to wubilli
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It won't take that much of an improvement on offense to get to 6-6. The defense should return 8 starters. And based on Rhodes last football hire we should get a good coach.
I agree with this assessment. Considering that Mizzou had the worst offense in FBS and yet still could have beat Kentucky, UGA, and Vanderbilt tells me next year we should be able to go bowling. We win those three games we are 8-3, it's pretty amazing how we lost games this year.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:52 pm to JesusQuintana
Yeah, I think it's a mess. Not just on the field either.
I'm glad you guys are finding positives.
I'll try to channel your positive vibes, but I'm convinced the next hire will either be redundant or way out of left field, and things will get worse.
I'm glad you guys are finding positives.
I'll try to channel your positive vibes, but I'm convinced the next hire will either be redundant or way out of left field, and things will get worse.
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