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re: DGB Vote (Update: Most of you say keep him)

Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:29 pm to
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But what about guys like Dalton, or whoever else has been kicked of the team for less offensive actions.



Arrested for possession of non-prescribed drugs and then arrested for DUI (as an 8 year old) a couple months later while driving an unlicensed car. (All illegal)

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What about a guy like Dixon who was a manipulative creep, but not a rapist who got kicked out of school.



Got kicked out of school by the students, not by the athletic department.

DGB got arrested by MU Police for marijuana in Columbia and if he'd have been a few blocks west on Stadium he'd have gotten a ticket.

Springfield drug thing, I don't know, nothing really came of it.

This most recent SGF thing is a big deal, but there's nothing you can do if people don't let you know what happened (again, I'm not fully caught up on what has come out so I may be an a-hole.)

I'm going to go read more about the recent DGB thing and stop commenting until I do.

ETA: That all being said, I'm not a huge fan of terminating someone's employment/kicking people out of school for some unknown/not well defined standard of behavior outside of their workplace/school. Whether that's a football player, radio talk show host, or corporate CEO.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:33 pm to
If he's allowed to stay and play, what happens to GP's tough enforcement policies? Do they change for everyone else from here on out as well? Too late to go back and have kids like Dalton come back and re-offer them their scholarships, but going forward, I don't see how GP can enforce his same rules with a straight face.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:34 pm to
wanted to check myself. The investigation was very much after the fact and came up with not enough evidence.
This was at least the second unrelated girl to accuse Dixon of forceable rape. But you know those bitches and hoes
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:42 pm to
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If he's allowed to stay and play, what happens to GP's tough enforcement policies? Do they change for everyone else from here on out as well? Too late to go back and have kids like Dalton come back and re-offer them their scholarships, but going forward, I don't see how GP can enforce his same rules with a straight face.



You could have used to the same logic on the Dalton thing once Pinkel got a DWI. It was probably more valid. If there's an issue with GP's ability to discipline there's been an issue for a while.

I like a clean program, it's awesome to me. It just seems like there's not a whole ton here. DGB in Springfield riding alone with a ton of weed? Done deal, charges filed, he's all but guilty. Kick him off the team, but that didn't happen. There was a few other dudes who could have been in possession.

Issue with a girlfriend or whoever in Springfield and the only thing coming out is rumors? I don't know, man. Seems like a lot of discipline for an issue that may or may not have happened. Again, I'm in the dark on what has happened since the announcement that charges wouldn't be filed, but I'm catching up.

You just don't fire someone for something that may have happened. If the cops and legal prosecutors can't get him for what supposedly happened, I don't see why he needs to be prosecuted by the team above and beyond. Especially if there's no real proof or complaint.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:43 pm to
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DGB is voluntarily (probably at the urging of his adopted father) entering counseling.


Eh. The cynic in me says it's just optics. It's such a serious charge against him (not legally, but pr-wise), that he has to pretend to make a major change so as to cash in at the appropriate level in the NFL. So, everyone gets in a room, coaches, parents etc. and presto, he's going to counseling.

People don't change until it hurts more to stay the same than it does to change. And so far, the tangible pain to DGB for his transgressions is nil. He won't change until he screws up in a way that causes him some actual pain. That's why consequences are good.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:45 pm to
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Or was he kicked out of school for being a dickhead to girls?

He voluntarily withdrew because he realized he was a tPOS.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:58 pm to
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It's such a serious charge against him (not legally, but pr-wise)

Felony breaking and entering and felony assault. I'm sure it would get pled down but still
Posted by RocketBallz
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:02 pm to
I don't pretend like I have anywhere near to enough info to make a good decision based on biased media reports. I'll happily roll with whatever Coach Pinkel decides. He's earned my trust.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:04 pm to
But if he is released without any charges being filed against him, doesn't that make Mizzou liable for "Hurting his draft stock?" without official cause?


Posted by Mizzeaux
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:06 pm to
I just read the Matter article. frick DGB.

I can't see Mizzou having the ability to do much outside of charges being brought or a victim of the incident coming to someone of authority in the athletic department/football program though.

I can't see making a move like the move that should be made based only on media reports. It just doesn't work that way.

ETA: At least it shouldn't work that way.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted by outlawjoseywales
Memphis, TN
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:07 pm to
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But if he is released without any charges being filed against him, doesn't that make Mizzou liable for "Hurting his draft stock?" without official cause?


I would say no since it is a year to year scholarship. NFL has moral clauses. I am sure so does NCAA and the University of Missouri.
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

But if he is released without any charges being filed against him, doesn't that make Mizzou liable for "Hurting his draft stock?" without official cause?



I'm sure there's a prescribed process in place for the AD/Football program/school to take action against a student absent of legal charges that the student agrees to upon enrolling.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:11 pm to
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I just read the Matter article. frick DGB.


This is really out of character for me, I usually don't buy into anything the media sensationalizes.

But after reading that article, I said the same thing.

Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:12 pm to
I'm the same, but Matter is solid and that was a pretty straightforward way to relay the info.
Posted by PintobeansnCornbread
Member since Jan 2014
319 posts
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:21 pm to
Just as someone stated before he's on extremely thin ice. The first time he got caught smoking bud(and yes he was smoking right along with the others, I was like" ok a lil weed smoking by a young man in college". The second time in the jeep cherokee with expired tags on it I was like" Dude you really either so arrogent that you think you're above the law or you are just extremely dense or naive. There's no way you can be in any vehicle with an LB of bud and not smell it. I would have suspended him for the first four OOC games to send a message that you are a leader of this team and the younger players or potential recruits(Darnell) are looking at you. You can't let him get away with doing what he wants to do and still maintain your authority over the rest of the team. You better believe that there are players on the team that are looking/ and thinking that I should be able to do shite like this and get away with it too. Coach needs to make a decision soon and stick to it and move on. 6 games minimum.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5364 posts
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:21 pm to
So there is really no reason for the school to continue with DGB then. I just didn't want to see the school end up in some crappy lawsuit.
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:28 pm to
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So there is really no reason for the school to continue with DGB then. I just didn't want to see the school end up in some crappy lawsuit.



Like I said before, I don't see how the school could take action against a player above and beyond the suspension based only on media reports.

If there are charges brought forth or if a victim informs the school or someone in authority (the victims were apparently Mizzou students) I can see them starting the process of kicking him off the team.

I don't think it happens without that though, nor should it. You can't make huge decisions like this as a coach/employer/authority figure based only on rumor and media reports. Not saying it won't happen, just that it absolutely shouldn't.

I'd be in the camp of wanting the scumbag off the team but being pissed if they did it without more evidence or proof. Everyone will assume I'm against it because he's DGB, but I'd be against it if it was any other person that supposedly choked out his girlfriend and battered another person as well. There has to be some presumption of innocence and without something or someone coming forward to show his guilt, even if he is obviously pretty likely guilty, the move shouldn't be made.

Again, frick him, but I need something other than media reports and a police investigation that couldn't get the info required to kick him or anyone else off the team.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Felony breaking and entering and felony assault. I'm sure it would get pled down but still

Yeah. My point is that he doesn't have legal charges against him. But he's got public image problems.
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 3:01 pm to
He gone.

Blair Kerkhoff ?@BlairKerkhoff 6m
Missouri announces that Dorial Green-Beckham has been dismissed from the team.

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Gary Pinkel: "Dorial’s priority going forward needs to be focusing on getting the help he needs."

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AD Mike Alden: "We have a high standard of conduct for our student-athletes...we are also responsible to the community at large...

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Strong action by Missouri, dismissing DGB, who led Tigers with 59 receptions, 12 receiving TDs.
Posted by MIZ_STL
ABQ
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 4:15 pm to
Had I seen this thread before today's big news, I would have voted to kick him off the team, but I would have noted that I expected Pinkel to give him another chance following a suspension of 4 games or more plus other assorted penalties designed to make DGB a better man such as counseling and regular check-ins with Pinkel, other coaches, and leaders on the team. [/run-on sentence]
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 4:17 pm
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