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re: All that needs to be said about that bill
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:12 pm to surgicalvenom
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:12 pm to surgicalvenom
But how are they NOT students?
They are required to meet requirements that every student must meet to gain admittance.
They are expected to go to class and pass, or at least a passing grade.
How are they an employee?
They are not paid any wages.
Once you move to making them employees, you completely change the whole structure of college football. And will effect all of college football, not just us.
They are required to meet requirements that every student must meet to gain admittance.
They are expected to go to class and pass, or at least a passing grade.
How are they an employee?
They are not paid any wages.
Once you move to making them employees, you completely change the whole structure of college football. And will effect all of college football, not just us.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:27 pm to Stlox
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We could end up playing and losing. Losing embarrassingly.
Is our basketball team aware of this possibility?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:28 pm to Buck94
The only problem with the bill (other than the guy who initiated it being a completely unaware moron) is that it was MISSOURI specific.
We don't want that, but something from the NCAA that would be applied to ALL schools would be great.
We don't want that, but something from the NCAA that would be applied to ALL schools would be great.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:30 pm to the808bass
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We could end up playing and losing. Losing embarrassingly.
Is our basketball team aware of this possibility?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:30 pm to Stlox
they are student-athletes because they agree to a mutual contract (scholarship) that dubs them so.
Not all contracts are employee-employer related, despite what it may appear. College athletics are mutual benefit contracts, despite one party being way more wealthy and powerful. But the student-athlete provides something the university itself cannot, athletic talent. So both are providing services to each other.
That is how the NCAA has based its model...and will likely continue for a very very long time.
Not all contracts are employee-employer related, despite what it may appear. College athletics are mutual benefit contracts, despite one party being way more wealthy and powerful. But the student-athlete provides something the university itself cannot, athletic talent. So both are providing services to each other.
That is how the NCAA has based its model...and will likely continue for a very very long time.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:31 pm to JesusQuintana
Just another carrot to be used when recruiting against us. This Brattin fellow obviously has no idea how CFB works.
His grandstanding did more harm than good. I hope his constituents make sure he feels the pain next election cycle.
His grandstanding did more harm than good. I hope his constituents make sure he feels the pain next election cycle.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:35 pm to Remote Controlled
Certainly didn't help, but it's over now and really never got past the local media.
I'll be glad when we can finally move on from all this shite.
I'll be glad when we can finally move on from all this shite.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:15 pm to 5thTiger
Well first you have to distinguish the difference between a student-athlete's scholarship and all other scholarships, because technically there is none. Depending on the verbiage, could include grants. Do you include grants? If you don't, don't be surprised we supply grant money instead of scholarships.
And are you going to limit this to football? Football and basketball? How you going to do that?
Scholarships come in all forms and varieties, as are grants. Some are based on grades, others are on merit, diversity, being poor, charitable and public service, still others are handed out to gain particular talent to enhance the value of the university.
You're going to have narrow the scope of who you want to pull their rights from, with just reason.
Do you really want this to continue? And end up in an SC decision?
And are you going to limit this to football? Football and basketball? How you going to do that?
Scholarships come in all forms and varieties, as are grants. Some are based on grades, others are on merit, diversity, being poor, charitable and public service, still others are handed out to gain particular talent to enhance the value of the university.
You're going to have narrow the scope of who you want to pull their rights from, with just reason.
Do you really want this to continue? And end up in an SC decision?
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:52 pm to JesusQuintana
Unfortunately it did get past local media. Yahoo has AP story about it. Guessing it is on other national sites as well.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:15 pm to Tiger97
Scholarships are given in one-year increments, and there is a procedure in place for not renewing for a number of reasons...even if the scholarships were funded by the State, imho there is a process in place for not renewing and this was a serious attempt at an overreach.
Let's imagine Mizzou has a player who is Mormon, and a game gets rescheduled for whatever reason to a Sunday and he refuses to play. Mizzou HAS to take away his scholarship based on this law. It makes no sense.
Let's imagine Mizzou has a player who is Mormon, and a game gets rescheduled for whatever reason to a Sunday and he refuses to play. Mizzou HAS to take away his scholarship based on this law. It makes no sense.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:30 pm to NEMizzou
IMHO - Poorly thought-out idea, little consideration given to potential outcomes, proposed by a politician who, ironically, doesn't have a college education.
I despise "laws" that provide no leeway or consideration for special circumstances. This was a bad idea from jump for a number of reasons. Glad he was persuaded to pull it.
I despise "laws" that provide no leeway or consideration for special circumstances. This was a bad idea from jump for a number of reasons. Glad he was persuaded to pull it.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 4:24 pm to Tiger97
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Your wording provided your answer. These are student athletes we are talking about here, not workers or employees. Student athlete maybe has become a hypocritical joke of a title, but it is still the legal, official designation today.
I understand what you're saying. The worker analogy may have been abit off if you look at the defenitions of the parties involved. Each circumstance is a little different. I get it. I was just linking the two from a concept point of view. Two parties enter into agreements and one party breaches the agreement. What usually happens? There have to be consequences for breaching agreements. That's what I was saying with the.last part of my post. I think it's something that really the state shouldn't be involved with, but should be controlled through the university. Is it the states business in the first place whether they fund the TSF or not, I beleive they still fund public universities and is that enough to make it their business?
As far as the designation of student athelete, I understand that the arguement made outside of this discussion and not on this forum was that the NCAA gave them that designation so they wouldn't be classified basically as a worker and the University wouldn't be liable to pay them money for playing a sport at their school. I know it goes much deeper than that. But at the surface that's my understanding.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 4:32 pm to semotruman
So it's dead then. That's probably for the better.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 4:55 pm to Tiger97
I understand the purpose of the bill and agree to a certain extent. If you look at schools as an academic institution first and foremost, then it makes complete sense. Just goes to show how powerful the large spectator sports are.
Just playing Devil's advocate
Just playing Devil's advocate
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:45 am to semotruman
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I despise "laws" that provide no leeway or consideration for special circumstances. This was a bad idea from jump for a number of reasons. Glad he was persuaded to pull it.
Yup. Had the entire situation been handled correctly, we would not be here today. There would have been no strike, and jonathan butler would be just another rich and privileged student.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:26 am to Tiger97
Stupid arse bill filed by a stupid arse representative elected by a stupid arse inbred electorate that was filed mainly for the publicity and will never make it to the floor for a vote.
Now let's talk about sum futball!
Now let's talk about sum futball!
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