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All that needs to be said about that bill
Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:26 am
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Also, Rep. Brattin showed his true colors and intelligence to B Kiley on KTGR. It's on a podcast on the station's website.
How some of the people representing us in Jeff City and Wash DC are getting elected is just amazing.
Also, Rep. Brattin showed his true colors and intelligence to B Kiley on KTGR. It's on a podcast on the station's website.
How some of the people representing us in Jeff City and Wash DC are getting elected is just amazing.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:36 am to Tiger97
I don't think it'll go though.
At least I hope not. It'll be a recruiting killer.
At least I hope not. It'll be a recruiting killer.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:48 am to Tiger97
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How some of the people representing us in Jeff City and Wash DC are getting elected is just amazing
Not really.....America is filled with a shitload of dumb, lazy people that vote SOLELY on whether the person has a D or R next to their names.
In other news:
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House Republicans propose resolution defending Christmas
The Hill
Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:55 am to Tiger97
Are we back to putting political shite on here?
Good god.
Good god.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:20 am to the808bass
Well, it is some thing that affects the FB program.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:01 am to Tiger97
I didn't read the link but it may be something that does hurt recruiting a little. I understand that people need to be people first. Just my opinion. But in my uneducated eyes, a recruit who signs to play football for a university in exchange for and education ( form of compensation) which in my opinion is a standing agreement verbal and by signing is also written, the University should be able to discharge any scholarship player for boycotting practice, team meetings and anything team related including games. I have no problem letting players voice or act on their beliefs or opinions including joining a protest as long as it doesn't interfere with thier agreement to the University involved. After setting back and digesting a lot of what was said here, and supplied info, I think the team could have filled a role just as well but not as powerful by just speaking out and showing unity instead of using that show in a threatening manner in the form of boycotting a game or maybe more than one game.
I find passing legislation to provide this abit over the edge. But correct me if I'm wrong, the state and Federal governements do fund public college's right? So they or some may feel they have the right to step in and do something if the school decides not to. I really have no opinion there. It's either legal to do so or it's not.
I do know that being a worker, I am hired to do a job. If I decide to boycott a day or two of work and my employer loses money in the process, I feel they have every right to can my arse. So why should scholarship players get a pass?
Am I looking at this correctly?
I find passing legislation to provide this abit over the edge. But correct me if I'm wrong, the state and Federal governements do fund public college's right? So they or some may feel they have the right to step in and do something if the school decides not to. I really have no opinion there. It's either legal to do so or it's not.
I do know that being a worker, I am hired to do a job. If I decide to boycott a day or two of work and my employer loses money in the process, I feel they have every right to can my arse. So why should scholarship players get a pass?
Am I looking at this correctly?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:05 am to jafo
No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session.
Judge Gideon J. Tucker
Judge Gideon J. Tucker
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:14 am to Mizzou Mule
So we had grandstanding by a few students. Now grandstanding from a few politicians.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:33 am to jafo
Jafo,
Your wording provided your answer. These are student athletes we are talking about here, not workers or employees. Student athlete maybe has become a hypocritical joke of a title, but it is still the legal, official designation today.
Your wording provided your answer. These are student athletes we are talking about here, not workers or employees. Student athlete maybe has become a hypocritical joke of a title, but it is still the legal, official designation today.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:44 am to Tiger97
And, shockingly enough, now that the guy got his name in the paper, he has withdrawn his bill per Dave Matter (via Alex Stuckey):
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Looks like @RickBrattin withdrew his college scholarship bill #moleg Check back w/ @stltoday, @KurtEricksonPD for a story soon
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:51 am to NEMizzou
Grand standing at it's best.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:53 am to jafo
Bill was withdrawn, but it would be nice to see the NCAA step in and provide some sort of protection to schools.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:13 am to jafo
Genuine question:
Do tax-payers fund player scholarships? I always thought that is what the TSF was for.
Do tax-payers fund player scholarships? I always thought that is what the TSF was for.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:14 am to SemperFi
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Tiger97 - These are student athletes we are talking about here, not workers or employees.
These are human beings of age (18 y/o or older) and parties to a contract (scholly).
I had nine hours of business law back-in-the-day. I'm not practicing law here. But a scholarship is a contract, IMHO.
And it goes something like this. 1. Student agrees to adhere to the rules of the Athletic Dept. and team. 2. School will provide education and other things. Both sign the contract. Consideration is delivered by both parties by student participating with the team activities and the school providing the classes.
Say the student boycotts thereby breaking the rules he/she agreed to under the contract. The result is breach of contract by student's non-participation. The student's consequences are at the discretion of the school/coach/AD per the contract. Real world folks. This has nothing to do with the employee/employer relationship.
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:23 am to JesusQuintana
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be nice to see the NCAA step in and provide some sort of protection to schools.
Protection to the schools from the people who pay the school's bills? I'm puzzled.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:54 am to SEC. 593
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Genuine question:
Do tax-payers fund player scholarships? I always thought that is what the TSF was for.
No, athletic scholarships are 100% funded by TSF
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:58 am to Tiger97
Although not perfect, I agreed with the spirit of the bill. A contract exists between the player and the school. If the player doesn't play, the contract is broken and no benefits are due to said player.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:00 pm to jafo
I believe the bill would have made it mandatory to revoke the scholarships.
Think this through people. If it were to pass, you could look at an entire team be dismissed. Which could guarantee the rest of the games be forfeited.
If the players did feel too intimidated to vocally support any protest, the same would occur as in other fields that cannot strike. It's called a work slow down.
We could end up playing and losing. Losing embarrassingly.
If you want a good football team you can't hang hammers over their heads. It's a recruiting killer.
Besides, it's singleing out just the football players. What about all the other kids that have scholarships that participated? What about the grad students and their grants?
Think this through people. If it were to pass, you could look at an entire team be dismissed. Which could guarantee the rest of the games be forfeited.
If the players did feel too intimidated to vocally support any protest, the same would occur as in other fields that cannot strike. It's called a work slow down.
We could end up playing and losing. Losing embarrassingly.
If you want a good football team you can't hang hammers over their heads. It's a recruiting killer.
Besides, it's singleing out just the football players. What about all the other kids that have scholarships that participated? What about the grad students and their grants?
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:07 pm to Stlox
There is a solution...Stop Calling Them STUDENT Athletes!
As long as they are students first, they have a right to participate in civil disobedience. This is the NCAA's stance against paying athletes, they say they are Students first. Even a small form of compensation, would make them Contract Employees, therefore a strike would violate the contract, ergo, the scholarship stops.
Scholarships come from a private fund, therefore cannot be legislated. But an athlete accepting the terms of a employment contract would be held to a tougher criteria.
As long as they are students first, they have a right to participate in civil disobedience. This is the NCAA's stance against paying athletes, they say they are Students first. Even a small form of compensation, would make them Contract Employees, therefore a strike would violate the contract, ergo, the scholarship stops.
Scholarships come from a private fund, therefore cannot be legislated. But an athlete accepting the terms of a employment contract would be held to a tougher criteria.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:10 pm to JesusQuintana
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No, athletic scholarships are 100% funded by TSF
There is a system in pace if TSF doesn't get enough donations. Extremely unlikely of course, but system is there.
Either way, no matter what some beat writer says, as soon as it is donated to the University, it becomes state money. I've dealt with similar situations before. University can do anything they want (pretty much) with TSF money. they are technically not earmarked donations.
As if i didn't hate beat writers enough, their slanted writing on this has been embarrassing. That isn't journalism, it is a damn opinion piece.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:13 pm
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