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re: Would you fire Coach Jim McElwain? (From Coaching Changes)
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:01 am to slayerxing
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:01 am to slayerxing
Mac had Driskel, Jones, KT, Lane when he arrived. 2 transferred, Jones went pro and KT was a soon to be JR. Mac decided to keep Summers twice. Once when he was hired and after last year. Summers is garbage there is no other way to put it. He's deciding this 4 RB committee crap eventhough cronk is a 3rd down back and Thompson shouldn't be on the field. Plenty of inexperienced young offensive lines from college do great, Just look at Tamu, ND, Oklahoma, USF, Texas, Stanford to the nfl like the Cowboys have had no problem. We have got to be the worst conditioned program the last 7 years.
WR was a mess but that has improved. Appleby, LDR, almost all the OL and receivers are his. He's got an OC he's worked with before so why does the offense Look like WMs or Nuss at Michigan? The defense has regressed and chokes in big games. There's no passion or adjustment at all.
How anyone can see there isn't major problems when an offensive coach with his players can't gain more than a yard per play after the half in the 3rd qtr and are bad in almost every offensive metric. If its not working change the players, coaches or the scheme! This has team struggled against everyone except UK who is one of the worst teams in cfb. The team hasn't looked different with Grier, Treon, LDR or Appleby and different OLs. This sounds just like the WM people. Except instead of we went 11-1. Its the we won the East. They need time!!!! Tired of hearing of Meyer/WM broke the program, injuries and they didnt recruit good enough. Plenty of coaches turn teams around fast. With talent and coaching. Even if they don't they show progress from year 1 to year 2. I wouldn't have problem if we showed progress and Mac was killing it in recruiting. yet we're going on his 3rd class and its still middle of the SEC and are looking mediocre in OL, S, LB, DT recruiting yet again. Allen has looked average, has back problems and Lemons can't stop fricking up. I want this team to succeed but I'm not gonna sit here and have all of you paint a turd gold and try to sell it to me as the real thing no matter how many methods of selling you can use.
WR was a mess but that has improved. Appleby, LDR, almost all the OL and receivers are his. He's got an OC he's worked with before so why does the offense Look like WMs or Nuss at Michigan? The defense has regressed and chokes in big games. There's no passion or adjustment at all.
How anyone can see there isn't major problems when an offensive coach with his players can't gain more than a yard per play after the half in the 3rd qtr and are bad in almost every offensive metric. If its not working change the players, coaches or the scheme! This has team struggled against everyone except UK who is one of the worst teams in cfb. The team hasn't looked different with Grier, Treon, LDR or Appleby and different OLs. This sounds just like the WM people. Except instead of we went 11-1. Its the we won the East. They need time!!!! Tired of hearing of Meyer/WM broke the program, injuries and they didnt recruit good enough. Plenty of coaches turn teams around fast. With talent and coaching. Even if they don't they show progress from year 1 to year 2. I wouldn't have problem if we showed progress and Mac was killing it in recruiting. yet we're going on his 3rd class and its still middle of the SEC and are looking mediocre in OL, S, LB, DT recruiting yet again. Allen has looked average, has back problems and Lemons can't stop fricking up. I want this team to succeed but I'm not gonna sit here and have all of you paint a turd gold and try to sell it to me as the real thing no matter how many methods of selling you can use.
This post was edited on 10/5/16 at 5:21 am
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:11 am to TJGator1215
I hear what you are saying. But I don't know why you can't just accept that he back up QB is playing and he isn't as good?
ND? You mention them. They have an experienced QB and still have a losing record. Their fans are pissed.
Texas? Yeah, OK, they have a much improved offense this year in YEAR 3 of their head coach. They are 2-2 and those fans want to fire their coach.
TAMU has a 4th year coach with a senior QB and a ton of experienced skill players around him. They also struggled mightily against South Carolina last week, and their fan base before the season started was really mad at their coach because he is 16-10 the last two years before the start of this season and have had shitty offenses and have gone through 4 different QBs. Sense a pattern?
USF? Really? Give me a fricking break. USF was 6-18 in Taggarts first two seasons. They are just now getting to a place where they are decent in year 4. YEAR 4!!!
Stanford? The same Stanford that looked like a high school team against Northwestern to start the season last year? The same team that lost to Washington 44-6 and had 213 yards of offense and 29 rushing yards? That Stanford? Or Maybe Oklahoma, who is now 2-2 and barely that, and are a loss from texas away from clamoring to fire bob stoops again? Also - this guy is in his 16th year at the school, so any comparison from Mac's 20th game to this guy's 16th year is fricking stupid.
All of the teams you mentioned, hilariously, are teams that would be happy to see coaching changes from at least 1/3 - 1/2 of their fan base.
You need to take a step back and gain some perspective.
Yes their are problems. Of course there are problems. But have you ever heard the saying "the grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it?"
Every team not coached by Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have problems. Not everyone gets to have a HOF coach.
Look at Michigan State - 3-2 this year and they stink and everyone is upset and yelling, after the guy has went 23-4 the last few years. His offense stunk in bad losses to Wisconsin and Indian for christ sake. Do you think those fans are happy?
Perspective son. It'll help you.
ND? You mention them. They have an experienced QB and still have a losing record. Their fans are pissed.
Texas? Yeah, OK, they have a much improved offense this year in YEAR 3 of their head coach. They are 2-2 and those fans want to fire their coach.
TAMU has a 4th year coach with a senior QB and a ton of experienced skill players around him. They also struggled mightily against South Carolina last week, and their fan base before the season started was really mad at their coach because he is 16-10 the last two years before the start of this season and have had shitty offenses and have gone through 4 different QBs. Sense a pattern?
USF? Really? Give me a fricking break. USF was 6-18 in Taggarts first two seasons. They are just now getting to a place where they are decent in year 4. YEAR 4!!!
Stanford? The same Stanford that looked like a high school team against Northwestern to start the season last year? The same team that lost to Washington 44-6 and had 213 yards of offense and 29 rushing yards? That Stanford? Or Maybe Oklahoma, who is now 2-2 and barely that, and are a loss from texas away from clamoring to fire bob stoops again? Also - this guy is in his 16th year at the school, so any comparison from Mac's 20th game to this guy's 16th year is fricking stupid.
All of the teams you mentioned, hilariously, are teams that would be happy to see coaching changes from at least 1/3 - 1/2 of their fan base.
You need to take a step back and gain some perspective.
Yes their are problems. Of course there are problems. But have you ever heard the saying "the grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it?"
Every team not coached by Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have problems. Not everyone gets to have a HOF coach.
Look at Michigan State - 3-2 this year and they stink and everyone is upset and yelling, after the guy has went 23-4 the last few years. His offense stunk in bad losses to Wisconsin and Indian for christ sake. Do you think those fans are happy?
Perspective son. It'll help you.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 8:14 am to TJGator1215
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Their his players. He said he could win with his dog at QB and he was an offensive guru so they say. He signed them and his staff is not coaching them well or putting them in a spot to succeed. He's the one that decided to take Appleby over Davis Webb, Zach Kline or the myriad other graduate QBs, he's the one that keeps deciding to run the 4 rb rotation , to keep summers after we led the nation in sacks, we signed 0 DTs in his 1st 2 classes, 1 great DB. Even with LDR being in his system all of last year and this year the offense has struggled. His team has averaged .77 yards a play in the 3rd Qtr!-!!!!! How the frick do you do that?? How
The staff can't make Appleby see Callaway standing in front of him for a wide open touchdown on a 3rd down and Appleby throw it away. The staff can't make Mark Thompson see a wide open hole and him run into the group of defenders.
Maybe those graduate quarterbacks weren't interested in Florida you fricking dunce. Jachai Polite is a DT dumbass. Andrew Ivey was a DT but injuries ended his career. We have three DT commits this year in Mac's second full class.
The offense under LDR was fine. You are so stupid, you don't even realize that all of these players are either freshmen or sophomores. They're young and they're playing with a shitty quarterback. You keep talking about Macs buyout as a way to take shots at Foley, but there's no way Mac gets fired you dumbfrick. And Foley has hired coaches that have won our school more national titles than any other school during his tenure and nearly every single SEC All Sport trophies in the last 25 years. You're truly an idiot.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 8:39 am to atlgator
I think this just illustrates a larger point that most fans are never happy with the head coach of their football team unless he is winning every game.
And there are only a couple of guys in the country that come close to that every year and they are going to be in the HOF.
College football fans at big programs are spoiled as frick. Look at FSU. Jimbo won a national title a few years ago, and now, people are ready to run him out of town.
LSu just fired their most winningest coach in history. Etc.
And there are only a couple of guys in the country that come close to that every year and they are going to be in the HOF.
College football fans at big programs are spoiled as frick. Look at FSU. Jimbo won a national title a few years ago, and now, people are ready to run him out of town.
LSu just fired their most winningest coach in history. Etc.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 8:49 am to slayerxing
frick it.
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:11 am to TJGator1215
Our offense isn't good right now, I fricking get it TJ. You think you are some kind of genius for pointing out the fricking obvious?
But you pointed out a bunch of coaches who have fanbases that DISLIKE THEM.
I just don't know WTF you want.
There aren't any other HOF coaches walking through the door in the next few years, so just sit back and enjoy what you have, and if you can't do that, watch something else.
I don't even know what we are arguing about now.
Do you want Bob Stoops? His teams have lost two games and are giving up points like candy at halloween.
Do you want Jimbo Fisher? His own fanbase is turning on him.
One of the best coaches in SEC history from a winning percentage standpoint just got fired at LSU. But I guess we don't want him because his offenses suck sometimes.
What about richt? Couldn't win a title at UGA but wins 10 games almost every fricking year.
Dabo? He's had a good run recently, maybe him? Oh but wait, even his epic offenses are struggling this year. Larry Fedora at UNC? Hey he finally won a big game, finally, for once in his career, maybe him?
Bobby Petrino?
Every coach has their warts. But to jump all over our coach in his first 20 games is just fricking pointless and it's getting old. Just let it go.
But you pointed out a bunch of coaches who have fanbases that DISLIKE THEM.
I just don't know WTF you want.
There aren't any other HOF coaches walking through the door in the next few years, so just sit back and enjoy what you have, and if you can't do that, watch something else.
I don't even know what we are arguing about now.
Do you want Bob Stoops? His teams have lost two games and are giving up points like candy at halloween.
Do you want Jimbo Fisher? His own fanbase is turning on him.
One of the best coaches in SEC history from a winning percentage standpoint just got fired at LSU. But I guess we don't want him because his offenses suck sometimes.
What about richt? Couldn't win a title at UGA but wins 10 games almost every fricking year.
Dabo? He's had a good run recently, maybe him? Oh but wait, even his epic offenses are struggling this year. Larry Fedora at UNC? Hey he finally won a big game, finally, for once in his career, maybe him?
Bobby Petrino?
Every coach has their warts. But to jump all over our coach in his first 20 games is just fricking pointless and it's getting old. Just let it go.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:28 am to slayerxing
And I mean it's been illustrated that almost every example he uses when describing a new coach almost always has a decent quarterback.
I really don't know if there's a top team who only had one true quarterback on their depth chart for any year. Mac has had almost nothing to work with, and I actually think his team at CSU was better set up than what we have on offense right now.
He has one year and some change, and winning the East with the offense of last year is pretty big.
I really don't know if there's a top team who only had one true quarterback on their depth chart for any year. Mac has had almost nothing to work with, and I actually think his team at CSU was better set up than what we have on offense right now.
He has one year and some change, and winning the East with the offense of last year is pretty big.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 10:32 am to TJGator1215
Lol. 
Posted on 10/6/16 at 3:31 pm to slayerxing
Agreed McElwain needs 4 years. If he goes 0-12 or 1-11 next year then yeah fire him but that's not going to happen.
Anyway I'd fire Nussmeier if the O doesn't improve by year's end.
Anyway I'd fire Nussmeier if the O doesn't improve by year's end.
This post was edited on 10/6/16 at 3:32 pm
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