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Would you fire Coach Jim McElwain? (From Coaching Changes)
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:25 pm
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/coaching-changes/would-you-fire-coach-jim-mcelwain/65883123/
So anyway, most people think those saying this are crazy.
So anyway, most people think those saying this are crazy.
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He needs 4 years, period. Barring a complete collapse like Muschamp in 2013 - there is no way you want to fire him until he has had a full 4 years to show us when he can do.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:45 pm to slayerxing
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He needs 4 years, period. Barring a complete collapse like Muschamp in 2013 - there is no way you want to fire him until he has had a full 4 years to show us when he can do.
I don't think it's easy to quantify just what kind of a downward spiral we were experiencing at the time with Muschamp. It's gonna take a while to build it back up, and that's hard to do without any talent at Oline.
I just can't imagine that any HC could turn the offense around in a year.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
No he is a good coach I have faith in him just not our O-line
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:58 pm to GatorNation11
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No he is a good coach I have faith in him just not our O-line
Our O-Line should be pretty damn good next year. They would have more starts than most O-Lines in the country due to most of them being in their first or second year starting already.
All of the backups are RS Freshmen, too.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 3:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
No. If muschamp can get 3 years Mac will as well.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 3:31 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
i honestly feel like he's a decent coach. he may know how to run an offense, but i feel as if he doesn't have what it takes to be a great coach. a few examples are...
Being a motivator. This team has shown too many times that they'd rather play to their opponents level. Rather that be Vandy or Bama. Our teams play lights out early against high level opponents, but can seem to finish the game. why is that? then, when they play teams like Vandy, they play like a bunch of retards.
Holding people accountable. How many years has this OL played like they have? How long has the OL coach been here? Summer's should have been shown the door just like the rest of Muschamp's staff when Mac got here. and what about penalties? we're just as bad as committing them this year as we were 10 years ago. maybe even 15.
Recruiting. Are we just not going after the heavy hitters here or are we settling for scraps? how did we land Franks last year? fluke?
i honestly feel like we got a florida version of Mark Richt. a decent coach that can win the east and maybe the conference, but not enough to get over the hump to win the playoffs.
Being a motivator. This team has shown too many times that they'd rather play to their opponents level. Rather that be Vandy or Bama. Our teams play lights out early against high level opponents, but can seem to finish the game. why is that? then, when they play teams like Vandy, they play like a bunch of retards.
Holding people accountable. How many years has this OL played like they have? How long has the OL coach been here? Summer's should have been shown the door just like the rest of Muschamp's staff when Mac got here. and what about penalties? we're just as bad as committing them this year as we were 10 years ago. maybe even 15.
Recruiting. Are we just not going after the heavy hitters here or are we settling for scraps? how did we land Franks last year? fluke?
i honestly feel like we got a florida version of Mark Richt. a decent coach that can win the east and maybe the conference, but not enough to get over the hump to win the playoffs.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 3:45 pm to finchmeister08
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i honestly feel like we got a florida version of Mark Richt. a decent coach that can win the east and maybe the conference, but not enough to get over the hump to win the playoffs.
And you have inferred this from a year and a half on a broken offense?
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Recruiting
FUBAR'd by Muschamp. Gotta see the coach first, and the coach has to get, at the very least, a quarterback before you can start shitting all over him. His two quarterbacks are transfers, neither of whom played very much.
His line consists of freshmen and sophomores, and their backups are all freshmen.
Just read the thread, look at how stupid you sound for jumping the gun on a team that was on a horrible decline because of the previous head coach.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 3:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He gets 4 years. If Saban coaches that whole time, I give him a pass on not winning the SECCG, but he needs to win the SEC east at least 1 more time in his first 4 years.
If he does that, after 4 years, he would have 2 SEC east titles, (no sec championships, but give him a break, no one is beating Alabama right now, no one).
His overall record would have to be something like 41-13 or something similar. That would mean an average of about 10 wins per year, in a full 13 game schedule. A couple of years hopefully with 14 games or more.
Give me that, and I would have hope once Saban retired.
If he does that, after 4 years, he would have 2 SEC east titles, (no sec championships, but give him a break, no one is beating Alabama right now, no one).
His overall record would have to be something like 41-13 or something similar. That would mean an average of about 10 wins per year, in a full 13 game schedule. A couple of years hopefully with 14 games or more.
Give me that, and I would have hope once Saban retired.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 4:02 pm to finchmeister08
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Are we just not going after the heavy hitters here or are we settling for scraps?
They problem with the big names is schools start going after them early. Mac hasn't been here long enough to establish those relations. Look at the 2018 class and who we're going after. I think we're in good shape to grab multiple 4 and 5 star guys on offense, including a pair of 4 star linemen. We're going hard after the 5 star guys, but its tough to flip someone from established coaches like Saban and Jimbo who try to find these guys early.
That's why you really need to give him a chance to get the recruiting train rolling before judging. If we keep winning, even if it's ugly, the big names will start lining up to play for UF like they did before Muschamp
Posted on 10/4/16 at 4:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And you have inferred this from a year and a half on a broken offense?
the past is a good indicator of the future
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FUBAR'd by Muschamp.
harbaugh doesn't seem to be having trouble in recruiting. especially when it comes to the state of florida. and if i recall, michigan was about the same team florida has had before the 2 schools got new coaches. and they started the same year. he's got 10 fr/so from the state of florida. tell me why florida couldn't get these same players?
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look at how stupid you sound for jumping the gun on a team that was on a horrible decline because of the previous head coach.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 5:01 pm to finchmeister08
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finchmeister08
Finch...let me try to explain something to you...first, have you watched ESPN much? Have you been online at ESPNU? They have headlined Jimbo and Hardball constantly and it is easy to tell....if you look...Florida is hardly mentioned at all....why? ESPN wants to spread out their investments and keep TV viewers...they have singlehandly made Hardball so popular that its easy to recruit with all that hype. Its simple...big10 and acc is what they are trying to sell and artificially blow it up to balance college football, even though southern football has 10 X more passion northern schools and that includes some of the northern schools in the acc.
Now, look at the results of jumbo jimbos recruiting, getting blown out and giving up 60+ points and getting beat at home by UNC who lost to UGA. You are so concerned with stars and let me tell you that sometimes they are 10 star head cases.
You are doing NOTHING that is helping UF right now with the negative posting...McElwain will be here 4 yrs and you might...just might wanna be patient...what choice do you have?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 5:59 pm to finchmeister08
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the past is a good indicator of the future
Perception is ambiguous, that you keep reiterating this shows how stupid you are. If we're looking at the past, he's had consecutive ten win seasons at two different schools in back to back years.
That's pretty impressive.
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harbaugh doesn't seem to be having trouble in recruiting.
Different team, different situation.
Jake Rudock was a fifth year senior from Iowa whose last season consisted of 2,500 yards, 16 touchdowns and 5 interceptions.
Our backup isn't that good, but he's looked much better than his previous school.
Behind Jake he had a Junior Quarterback. We have the opposite, but that team had a decent quarterback, and the backup was a 5 star.
Mac had Grier, a Four Star recruit who looked damn good but as you know was suspended.
Harris was also supposed to be a Four Star recruit, but simply wasn't a good quarterback. He never showed any real promise and so:
Mac had Harris and Grier, well, only Harris and only lost games with Harris.
Harbaugh had a 5th year senior quarterback backed up by a 5 star quarterback.
Their OLine had 1 Sophomore, 3 Juniors and a Senior.
Our Problem: Declining recruiter, didn't get enough players on his offense.
Their problem: Talent, but not the right coach.
In the end, the difference is a matter of what they were left with. It's not just A School was in B School's situation and then you make false conclusions.
Muschamp really did work on us.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 7:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The offensive side of the ball primarily consists of Mac recruits. I'd fire him if we can get someone better. Problem is we aren't in the same category as Texas, LSU or even USC anymore. I'd throw whatever it took to get Herman, Petrino or even Dabo here. Add in Mac's contract and Foley near by we're gonna have to hope he gets it right by massively over hauling his staff on both sides of the ball. I don't think he will.
Gatorcountry.
Factor in the defense struggling stopping a one dimensional running game and getting boatraced by UT in the 2nd half or really any team with a pulse, There's zero emotion, average recruiting and horrible ST save for EP15.
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But we cannot just gloss over this game. Florida played poorly on offense, struggled with play calling, and looked uninspired and fundamentally weak.
I’ll put it bluntly: the offense is offensive. The offensive line struggled all day. The play calling was strange. The offensive moved at glacial speeds. And for some reason, the coaching staff feels like they must play all four running backs, despite two (Scarlett, Perine) looking much better than the other two.
I am not ignorant. I know if Luke Del Rio were playing, they would have likely played a bit better. But, to me, Florida looks undisciplined, under-prepared, and bland on offense.
I will give some credit to Vanderbilt’s defense, they played well, but much of that had to do with Florida playing poorly. Vanderbilt had averaged 0.75 sacks per game before playing Florida, had two and should have had a few more. They held Florida to only 236 yards on offense, after allowing an average of 500.67 against Middle Tennessee State, Georgia Tech, and Western Kentucky. But is that Vanderbilt suddenly knowing how to play defense? Or is that Florida really being struggling on offense?
But after watching Florida the past six quarters, I am worried. The Florida offense is not difficult. The playbook is straightforward and concepts are simple. With a coach that said he could win with his dog at quarterback, why is a fifth year senior struggling in the offense? Offensive linemen are struggling in zone blocking. Receivers aren’t able to get open.
I am a pretty optimistic guy and really like Jim McElwain, and also know how bad the team that he inherited was, but this is just not good right now. 105th in the red zone. 77th in total yards. 89th in yards per pass completion. 94thon 4th down conversion. 74th in percentage of plays that result in a touchdown or first down.
And what is happening in third quarters? In the last two games, the Gators have had five drives, 22 plays, go for 17 total yards – 0.77 yards per play…. And why the heck didn’t Jordan Scarlett touch the ball in the third quarter?
The Gators scored the fewest points in Nashville against Vanderbilt since 1988.
The Gators failed to reach 100 yards rushing against Vanderbilt for the first time since 2013 (a year that you never want to compare offensive output to).
The 2.63 yards per carry that the Gators averaged is their lowest in a regular season game since LSU last season.
Over the last two weeks, the Gators are averaging 44 less yards in the air and 103 yards on the ground.
This is the fifth time under Jim McElwain that the Gators have scored 14 or fewer points.
This is the sixth time in 11 games that the Gators have amassed less than 300 yards of offense.
The Gators rank 108th in the country in offensive explosiveness.
For some positives…
Jordan Scarlett (4.98) and Lamical Perine (5.24) are both averaging the most yards per carry (five plus carries per game) since Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey in 2011.
Gators aren’t throwing interceptions. Their 3-to-1 TD:INT ratio ranks 36th in the country. They ranked 56th in the country last season.
C’yontai Lewis tied his career high for catches and had the most yards in a game since his game against New Mexico State last season.
Antonio Callaway is averaging 5.0 catches per game. The Gators haven’t had a receiver close to that many catches per game since Aaron Hernandez (4.9) in 2009.
Gatorcountry.
Factor in the defense struggling stopping a one dimensional running game and getting boatraced by UT in the 2nd half or really any team with a pulse, There's zero emotion, average recruiting and horrible ST save for EP15.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:05 pm to TJGator1215
It was a bad game. The back up QB had a really bad day. He missed 2 wide open TDs and fumbled a sure TD away for no reason.
With the starter in, this is a game that ends 24-6 at minimum.
I can't emphasize that enough - but people seem to keep ignoring it.
Is the offense very good? No. With LDR it is average. But average is better than the total shite show we have now, and it would have made a huge difference the last two weeks.
With the starter in, this is a game that ends 24-6 at minimum.
I can't emphasize that enough - but people seem to keep ignoring it.
Is the offense very good? No. With LDR it is average. But average is better than the total shite show we have now, and it would have made a huge difference the last two weeks.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
To me thinking we can fire McElwain this and somehow end up better off I assume really do think money can buy anything and that Florida must sit on a mountain of it.
I can't even start to guess how much money it would take to get a name coach to uproot his family to move to a new college that just fired a coach who is more than likely going to have at least 8 wins in his second season. And that is before we even get into the financial commitments to Muschamp and our newly fire McElwain.
I can't even start to guess how much money it would take to get a name coach to uproot his family to move to a new college that just fired a coach who is more than likely going to have at least 8 wins in his second season. And that is before we even get into the financial commitments to Muschamp and our newly fire McElwain.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:37 pm to TJGator1215
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The offensive side of the ball primarily consists of Mac recruits.
A shite ton of transfers and freshmen?
My God, man. The entire Coaching Changes board is laughing at people like you. Can't see the forest from the trees for shite.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Their his players. He said he could win with his dog at QB and he was an offensive guru so they say. He signed them and his staff is not coaching them well or putting them in a spot to succeed. He's the one that decided to take Appleby over Davis Webb, Zach Kline or the myriad other graduate QBs, he's the one that keeps deciding to run the 4 rb rotation , to keep summers after we led the nation in sacks, we signed 0 DTs in his 1st 2 classes, 1 great DB. Even with LDR being in his system all of last year and this year the offense has struggled. His team has averaged .77 yards a play in the 3rd Qtr!-!!!!! How the frick do you do that?? How
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Mac is in the beginning of his second year. So if he was following a coach that recruited decently on offense, most of his big name players should be Jrs and Srs. In stead, the primary WR are freshmen and sophomores. The only guys catching the ball from Muschamp's time are Golsby and Powell. That's it.
There isn't a fricking RB left on the roster, 2 years removed from Muschamp, because he didn't recruit the position well. Literally 0 RB's on the roster from then. Thompson is the oldest because he is juco, everyone else is fr. or soph.
The OL situation? LOFL. The entire two deep is freshmen and sophs outside of Dillard and Sharpe.
The biggest mistake I think you can admit to Mac making on offense right now is not keeping Grier in the fold for next year. That's about it. But to judge the offense as a finished product at this point is just silly. It' ain't finished.
When you throw in the fact that he's being forced to play his back up QB who just isn't that good, and was always nothing more than a bandaid, you have to also forgive him for the offensive deficiencies. Finally - his only loss right now is on the road to a top 10 team, who has a 4 leaf clover stuck up their arse. So until more losses start raining down, why not just relax?
There isn't a fricking RB left on the roster, 2 years removed from Muschamp, because he didn't recruit the position well. Literally 0 RB's on the roster from then. Thompson is the oldest because he is juco, everyone else is fr. or soph.
The OL situation? LOFL. The entire two deep is freshmen and sophs outside of Dillard and Sharpe.
The biggest mistake I think you can admit to Mac making on offense right now is not keeping Grier in the fold for next year. That's about it. But to judge the offense as a finished product at this point is just silly. It' ain't finished.
When you throw in the fact that he's being forced to play his back up QB who just isn't that good, and was always nothing more than a bandaid, you have to also forgive him for the offensive deficiencies. Finally - his only loss right now is on the road to a top 10 team, who has a 4 leaf clover stuck up their arse. So until more losses start raining down, why not just relax?
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Honestly, everything hinges on your perception of 2017-- if you think we likely open the year getting hammered by Michigan and then struggling mightily with a less talented but just as inexperienced version of the 2007 defense then you wonder what his long term future is-- if on the other hand you view 2017 as a likely breakthrough year where we win 10+ and challenge for the Playoffs as the offense comes into its own and a defense with 4-5 returning starters at best steps up and holds the line then its crazy to even consider another coach to begin 2018.
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