re: What is/was the alternative on offense?

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There is literally, on the offensive line, no one else to plug in.

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They are called coaches, not personnel managers. They coach the talent on hand, they don't merely shuffle it around. Very good example is Simms at Bama in 2014. Kiffin did a very good job of coaching him that year.

I know you're trying to be fair to the coaches but they have to actually coach players. And they have to do a good job of it.

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Zook could damn sure recruit and HIS defense got us the BSC title in 2006.

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So Tebow, Mullen, Harvin and Meyer didn't make that team any better than what Zook would have produced?
Strong was Zook's DC. He was also Meyer's DC.
Zook certainly deserves credit but it was Meyer's change to the program that made that title happen.
It's a shame Zook doesn't get a little more love for his role in bringing in good talent, but his coaching was very poor. Great guy, bad coach.

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Hell Lets get the band back together
Hire mullen HC
Strong DC/Co HC

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I don't know if people were joking or not, but I did hear some say that with Strickland at UF, no one should be surprised if he has a quick trigger with Mac and brings in Mullen.

Again, I don't know what to make of the Strickland / Mullen comments. I'm not sure if they are like Machen / Meyer or what.

I think the cowbell ringers have nicknamed him Merlinz or something. That worries me. Seems like he's easy fark material.
When Chuck Amato was at NC State, their fark board was savage. There was a thread called 'More proof our coach is a zombie'. Some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen.

This is Chuck but not a fark from that board.

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UF...can I just take six zeros off that amount you'd like?

Ok...we should have burned a r/s on one of the tr frosh QBs. Of course its convenient to put that out there NOW. If you will travel back in time with me to September 2016.....


It is my observation that Del Rio suffered a lot of mental and physical blows in the North Texas game and he kept hearing footsteps. I know this doesnt fit in your cut and dry world...the human element. But the fact was that we were bad at pass blocking with a frosh dominated OL.

I will get a chuckle, but Bama can be beat...

The main problem I have with the howling is that its always after a loss. "fans" drove Spurrier away..The DC was always the one being blamed...I will never forget Jon Hoke being the target of complaints..

And remember UF that Francois was a redshirt frosh this year. Spurrier got those yds against the girls school at HOME btw and indeed it was brilliant in 1997. But lets not lose sight of the fact he had poor record against Diddy Bowden. And last I looked UF that UGA team and Miss State team were both sporting mediocre records and I will take our W/L record...thank you. Cause you are type of person who would be howling if we had their records but yet some better offensive stats. MSU is 5-7.

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- No you can't take any zeros off my amount. I also want access to the practices, the facilities, all the swag these coaches get, and all the film too.
- While we're at it, I feel very confident I could pay John Gruden a cool mil, to sit down with me for one week. After that amount of time with him to learn some of the football language I didn't get in high school and to learn how to work the fancy projectors, I don't think I could make the offense any worse than 120th out of 128, which is where it is now. I'll even return a million to the school for charity.
For $4,000,000 I know I can deliver an offense with the drizzling shits. You have my word.
- The reason I say one of the frosh QBs should have been in the mix is because it's never very smart to have less than 3 QBs ready to go. It's far better to risk burning a red shirt with early playing time than to jeopardize crucial plays and series later in the season if your #2 is injured. And bonus, if #2 struggles you have the ability to rotate and coach him between series or plays. I wasn't here in September. If I had been you would have heard the same from me then. Less than 3 QBs is trouble waiting to happen.
- You don't know anything about "my world". That comment and your "you are the type person" comment are just thinly veiled insults and attempts for you to lay claim to some moral high ground which does not exist, and neither makes for an argument.
- Yes there's howling after a loss, but there's been a fair amount after victories. People can see there are problems, win or lose.
- You say fans drove Spurrier away. Others believe it was the lack of support from the University in the wake of Dockett-gate. He had a very talented team returning yet abruptly left a month after that happened. This is another attempt at value-signaling, implying we need to be positive, or else.
- Hoke got a lot of grief because he set a trend of showing up most often against weaker teams. He had a few good games against tough teams like against the Vols in 99 and AU in 2000 SECCG.
But also in 99, he got shredded by Bama at home. Shaun Alexander is probably still running loose in the Swamp right now. When FSU came to town he could not get them off the field when it was needed most. FSU won the natty that year and Spurrier and a lot of ex-Gators that watched that game were pissed. That game was there to be taken. Spurrier's QBs threw some INTs that hurt, but when UF needed the defense to bail it out and get the ball back, it didn't happen.
Then the rematch against Bama in the SECCG, everyone felt confident that UF would avenge the OT loss and that Hoke would have a plan to shut down that offense. He didn't and UF got rolled. The bowl game against Mich St was another defensive meltdown. He got shredded by MSU in 2000 and outmatched badly by Miami that year, and then in 2001 he just got throttled by the Vols in the 2nd half.
Those are the reasons Hoke caught hell. He did catch more than necessary, but in crunch time he failed more than he succeeded.
These were years where people got tired of Spurrier hanging half a hundred on them. It was the super bowl when UF came to town. It was more important than ever in those times to bring a robust defense to the field as other teams viewed stopping Spurrier's offense like WWIII.
Also, remember that in 98,99,00, the FSU game if won by UF would have meant UF played for the national title - in 98 they probably would have gotten a rematch against the Vols. That was how people had the BCS projections prior to the FSU game. In 99 it meant winning in Atlanta absolutely put them in the title game. Same for 2000. The loss to FSU eliminated them. Hoke was there for two of those games. Those were bitter pills for everyone to swallow. You're right though, Hoke got a little too much fire from the fans.
- Fine, Francois is a RS Frosh. So then explain SoCar offense being nearly the same as UF, both in the East, and SoCar's QB is as young as it gets. What else would you like to quibble with?
- Yes the FSU game in 1997 was at home. Are you trying to imply that the Swamp is worth 293 yards of offense?
- Spurrier was 5-8-1 against Bowden. That's not relevant to this discussion. But since you brought it up, their rivalry will never be matched. Bowden finished in the Top5 from 87-00. You can't find another coach in the history of the game that had a yearly opponent, in-state rival, OOC, while coaching in the toughest conference in the country, that was top5 in every year of his tenure but one. Spurrier got Bowden at his zenith. But overall Bowden's record against Top10 teams was worse. Miles wasn't close to that success against Saban and that includes a few 'down' years for Saban. All that being said, those FSU losses were tough.
- It seems like you want to chip away at the past in order to prop up the present.
- This discussion is about offense. Both UGA and MSU have had tougher schedules than UF, yet better offensive statistics. Sure, the better record is good. But the level of play on offense is not adequate. The SEC East is a bag of shite right now. If your point is to celebrate having the least smelly bag of shite, then go ahead and print the shirts. Other fans want some better results than that. The current offense will never allow that to happen. Hence the discord.
- Of course Bama can be beat, but I don't see this UF team doing it. There's just too many holes right now.

After seeing Franks lackluster performance in the spring game I can see why he needed further development, but what harm would it be bringing him in as a back up to get some real game experience it's worth burning the red shirt imo. To think he starts his first college game in Jerry's world against Michigan is just fricken wrong. As was mentioned before it will probably be LDR to start.

Here is an option, name Steve Spurrier OC and give him free run of the offense.

I'm telling you, that's a big mistake.

I love Spurrier and what he has done for UF, but you will set this program back years if you fire McElwain and ask Spurrier to take over.

Spurrier was burned out from South Carolina and making him the HBC at UF again will rise expectations to an insanely unfair level based on the current roster.

People really want Spurrier to be the head coach again? Seriously?

Do y'all really want to tarnish his greatness and legacy when his return becomes a disaster and Strickland has to fire him or relieve him of his duties after a couple of years?

Let him be, he's retired and I'm sure he is fine with simply talking with Mac in the film room and telling him his ideas and sharing his wealth of knowledge with Mac whenever he needs it