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What is/was the alternative on offense?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:46 am
I see a lot of people going off the chain about our offense -- but I want to know what people would do differently?
At Quarterback: He secured two transfers and they turned out bad -- but after 2015 he literally had zero quarterbacks. He's saving the two freshmen because we've already cinched the East and there's no reason to throw them to the wolves when we've accomplished what no one said we could. SEC Predicted we'd go 7 - 5, 4 - 4 in the SEC. We went 8 - 3 (better than predicted) and 6 - 2 in the SEC while going undefeated at home.
At Offensive Linemen: When your RG is playing Center and the previous HC only left you 6 scholarship offensive linemen, you bring in 3 more and can't even run scrimmage because you lack offensive linemen -- there's really nothing more you can do.
We have three upperclassmen on the roster for offensive line: One is injured for the entire season, our Center who didn't play last night and Ivey went down.
The receivers are better, the running backs are better and our special teams are lightyears better.
So my question is: Who do we plug in? Who comes in to relieve Appleby with Del Rio hurt? Do we burn a redshirt on one of our freshmen even though we clinched the East?
Who do we plug in on offensive line when he only had Freshmen and a few sophomores who never saw the field?
The offense is not his problem (yet). Until he's had at least three years to literally construct the offense from the ground up and if he's consistently winning the East, I have no idea what you guys want to be different.
At Quarterback: He secured two transfers and they turned out bad -- but after 2015 he literally had zero quarterbacks. He's saving the two freshmen because we've already cinched the East and there's no reason to throw them to the wolves when we've accomplished what no one said we could. SEC Predicted we'd go 7 - 5, 4 - 4 in the SEC. We went 8 - 3 (better than predicted) and 6 - 2 in the SEC while going undefeated at home.
At Offensive Linemen: When your RG is playing Center and the previous HC only left you 6 scholarship offensive linemen, you bring in 3 more and can't even run scrimmage because you lack offensive linemen -- there's really nothing more you can do.
We have three upperclassmen on the roster for offensive line: One is injured for the entire season, our Center who didn't play last night and Ivey went down.
The receivers are better, the running backs are better and our special teams are lightyears better.
So my question is: Who do we plug in? Who comes in to relieve Appleby with Del Rio hurt? Do we burn a redshirt on one of our freshmen even though we clinched the East?
Who do we plug in on offensive line when he only had Freshmen and a few sophomores who never saw the field?
The offense is not his problem (yet). Until he's had at least three years to literally construct the offense from the ground up and if he's consistently winning the East, I have no idea what you guys want to be different.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:52 am
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
In before someone who never played a down of football in their life comes and says we should switch midseason to be a spread type team instead of a pro style offense.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:54 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The spread/pro style thing was my biggest issue with the McElwain hire.
I think McElwain definitely has us headed in the right direction.
But in Florida, you need more spread than pro-style IMO. Florida historically has had more success with spread style offenses.
I definitely think McElwain has improved us a ton from where we were 2 years ago.
I just want to see him with a legit QB.
I think McElwain definitely has us headed in the right direction.
But in Florida, you need more spread than pro-style IMO. Florida historically has had more success with spread style offenses.
I definitely think McElwain has improved us a ton from where we were 2 years ago.
I just want to see him with a legit QB.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:55 am to NeathOrangeandBlue
Most of the guys think they're playing fricking NCAA 2016. There is literally, on the offensive line, no one else to plug in.
This isn't McDonald's where anyone can man the fry station. Three starting offensive linemen out, your fricking right guard playing center, two true freshmen.
And who could he have recruited to fix this last year? What freshman is coming in to play? We need to stop being so delusional.
This isn't McDonald's where anyone can man the fry station. Three starting offensive linemen out, your fricking right guard playing center, two true freshmen.
And who could he have recruited to fix this last year? What freshman is coming in to play? We need to stop being so delusional.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
My only complaints are: why is it when Scarlett starts running the ball well on the opening drive, we switch to Perine in the redzone. Scarlett is a bulldozer and should have no problem getting 6-7 yards. Once we got inside the 10, we ran once with Perine and then tried to pass with a QB that can't make quick, short throws.
Also, FSU started stacking the box after the first drive and we went action maybe 1-2 times. What happened to the PA to the TE that we saw with Grier last year.
Finally, why aren't our backs being used better in protection. Scarlett missed blocks multiple times. And there were a few times we send our backs in motion to go 4-5 wide leaving a QB to get slaughtered.
Also, FSU started stacking the box after the first drive and we went action maybe 1-2 times. What happened to the PA to the TE that we saw with Grier last year.
Finally, why aren't our backs being used better in protection. Scarlett missed blocks multiple times. And there were a few times we send our backs in motion to go 4-5 wide leaving a QB to get slaughtered.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:02 pm to boXerrumble
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The spread/pro style thing was my biggest issue with the McElwain hire.
Yea that's not what I mean. That's a legitimate point if you have an issue with the hire.
I'm talking about people last year (and now this year again) who were/are saying Mac should completely retool his offense for the last 3 games of the season to be more spread like. Its just not possible at this point. We have an OC and a HC that knows one style of offense and has now brought in 4 pro-style QBs with another 2 on the way. You have to let him implement his offense.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:16 pm to NeathOrangeandBlue
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My only complaints are: why is it when Scarlett starts running the ball well on the opening drive, we switch to Perine in the redzone. Scarlett is a bulldozer and should have no problem getting 6-7 yards. Once we got inside the 10, we ran once with Perine and then tried to pass with a QB that can't make quick, short throws.
I think one of the problems is that Scarlett gets gassed. Several times this year he's had to get out because he's literally, at times, our only offensive production. Perine has never been the same since getting his facemask ripped against Georgia. That being said, we have got to find offense outside of Scarlett.
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Also, FSU started stacking the box after the first drive and we went action maybe 1-2 times. What happened to the PA to the TE that we saw with Grier last year.
Because we're trying to use our TE's for pass protection without understanding that the problem is internal, the edges get beaten but the guards are the ones on rollers. We should be using mesh patterns with our TE's, or maybe even some outside screens.
A lot of plays worked once and we never saw them again the last game, and that frustrates me more than anything.
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Finally, why aren't our backs being used better in protection. Scarlett missed blocks multiple times. And there were a few times we send our backs in motion to go 4-5 wide leaving a QB to get slaughtered.
Finally, I just don't know. They missed blitzes so bad last night, but I also wonder if this was in part problems with the offensive line. It looked like Scarlett thought that the Guard was going to take the blitzer one on one while he helped internally to stop the DT. (Regarding one play.)
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:26 pm to NeathOrangeandBlue
Spread is for fricking butter. A lot of successful teams run pro style offense including Bama.
The bottom line is not QB...our OL couldnt block 4 DL and its that damn simple. The few times they blitzed, Scarlett was WAY out of position...resulting in a sack. He is still young and Perine is just a true frosh...RBs have to do more than run the ball, pass protection is ultra important and good luck with pros wanting you if you cant learn pass protection schemes. Scarlett and Perine are both good runners that are still learning SEC football.
Thats why I am not too upset by the loss. We had an emotionally draining win against a good defense in LSU and I was afraid the probability of 2 weeks of urgent football with so many injuries would be very tough.
Give this offense the whole spring/summer and more time to develop and we should see a lot of improvement. We have to run first and foremost and of course stop the run in the SEC to be a winner. Throwing the ball is important but only to keep defenses honest and weary of play action.
I will repeat that the schedule is idea to win a lot of games....and if we avoid the injury bug, look out. Just went to Publix a little while ago wearing my Gator polo shirt and Gator visor and a few Gators approached me if I was upset last night...I said "nope" and showed them my Gator head tatoo on upper right arm. Still 110% a Gator and will always be one.
We basically have 10 starters back on offense next year and just think about that for a moment...instead of being negative. Repped the east two years in a row and I think we are on our way to be a powerful team on both sides of the ball.
The bottom line is not QB...our OL couldnt block 4 DL and its that damn simple. The few times they blitzed, Scarlett was WAY out of position...resulting in a sack. He is still young and Perine is just a true frosh...RBs have to do more than run the ball, pass protection is ultra important and good luck with pros wanting you if you cant learn pass protection schemes. Scarlett and Perine are both good runners that are still learning SEC football.
Thats why I am not too upset by the loss. We had an emotionally draining win against a good defense in LSU and I was afraid the probability of 2 weeks of urgent football with so many injuries would be very tough.
Give this offense the whole spring/summer and more time to develop and we should see a lot of improvement. We have to run first and foremost and of course stop the run in the SEC to be a winner. Throwing the ball is important but only to keep defenses honest and weary of play action.
I will repeat that the schedule is idea to win a lot of games....and if we avoid the injury bug, look out. Just went to Publix a little while ago wearing my Gator polo shirt and Gator visor and a few Gators approached me if I was upset last night...I said "nope" and showed them my Gator head tatoo on upper right arm. Still 110% a Gator and will always be one.
We basically have 10 starters back on offense next year and just think about that for a moment...instead of being negative. Repped the east two years in a row and I think we are on our way to be a powerful team on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He had every opportunity this season to burn a redshirt on franks or trask. He's just too damn hard headed to do it. Again, we limp across the finish line by being hell bent on utilizing only 2 QBs. Mac is a fricking idiot.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:08 pm to reel_gator8
Bama runs a zone read-hybrid. They don't run a pro style offense anymore and their recruiting shows that getting the #1 Dual threat QB
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Plenty of teams have started young players on offense and not had the problems we've had. I've chronicalled it multiple times. Give the WM blaming a rest. This is Mac's show and he's almost completely identical to WM in record and every offensive metric. I can't wait to hear you ready the excuses in 2017.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:33 pm to TJGator1215
No excuses left in 2017. It'll be almost entirely his team and he is basically failing for the same reason muschamp did and that is he can't find and develop a qb.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:39 pm to slayerxing
At least WM had defense to fall back on. Our most consistent player is our kicker
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:05 pm to TJGator1215
0-12 on 3rd down. The only drive we seem to be able to put together against good teams is first one which we probably script then run it over and over in practice. We are now 120th in total offense. 104th in PPG.
What I would do is not get stupid and take our foot off the gas vs Tenn. I would've stopped the 4RB rotation earlier. I would've only took one transfer QB and went with a FR as a backup which Bama, Duke, Texas, GA and FSU seem to not care about starting. I would throw to TE's more. I would stop getting cute in the redzone. I would also not pack it in with 3 timeouts left to end a half after going for it numerous times on 4th down.
What I would do is not get stupid and take our foot off the gas vs Tenn. I would've stopped the 4RB rotation earlier. I would've only took one transfer QB and went with a FR as a backup which Bama, Duke, Texas, GA and FSU seem to not care about starting. I would throw to TE's more. I would stop getting cute in the redzone. I would also not pack it in with 3 timeouts left to end a half after going for it numerous times on 4th down.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:22 pm to gatorbait_007
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franois or however you spell his name was a REDSHIRT FROSH first of all. Texas? Who just fired Strong...well...thats a sure sign we should be copying that.
I will remind folks that in 2003 we had a TRUE frosh QB start the Canes game and we lost. It eventually cost Zook his job in 2004 when Leak was just a true soph and made typical mistakes that young players make in the Moo State game...and btw MSU was not too horrible of a team and they were playing us at home.
Spurrier got us MURDERED by Moo State in 1992 and in 2000 when Palmer and r/s Grossman were killed. But the pres of UF wanted Meyer from the getgo. Zook could damn sure recruit and HIS defense got us the BSC title in 2006.
While I agree in principle with your assertions...but if the tight ends are needed to keep your QB from being killed? Our true frosh RT got his arse handed to him numerous times and when they came up the middle...Scarlett was over in la la land in case the pass rush was coming from the edge. Will he learn from his mistakes? I think so and he will be shown the film tape to show him his multiple errors.
We are a very young offense overall and that IS an excuse...coaches can show how it is suppose to be done...but they cant be on the field with him. I feel strongly that 2017 will see noticable improvement with our offense and if not....then the seat gets warm but Mac will get a fourth year.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:34 pm to boXerrumble
Fun N Gun was pro style. It was just pass heavy.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:49 pm to reel_gator8
Francois hasn't played a game in college correct so what's your point he still has no real game experience in college leading up to this year.
Texas fired Strong but at least he knew with his job on the line he would still give a FR QB a chance. That is the point. That Texas offense that got Strong fired is ranked 16th in total offense. They have 2000 more yards on offense than us and average 7 more ppg. WITH A FRESHMAN QB.
Our RB blocking is terrible I think they literally close their eyes when the ball is snapped on a pass play.
Here are the teams we have more offensive yards than Connecticut, Rutgers, Illinois, Kent State, Wake Forest, Georgia State, Boston College and Texas State. This is Fricking sad.
Being young on offense to me is no excuse for that. Sorry
Texas fired Strong but at least he knew with his job on the line he would still give a FR QB a chance. That is the point. That Texas offense that got Strong fired is ranked 16th in total offense. They have 2000 more yards on offense than us and average 7 more ppg. WITH A FRESHMAN QB.
Our RB blocking is terrible I think they literally close their eyes when the ball is snapped on a pass play.
Here are the teams we have more offensive yards than Connecticut, Rutgers, Illinois, Kent State, Wake Forest, Georgia State, Boston College and Texas State. This is Fricking sad.
Being young on offense to me is no excuse for that. Sorry
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:03 pm to finchmeister08
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He had every opportunity this season to burn a redshirt on franks or trask. He's just too damn hard headed to do it. Again, we limp across the finish line by being hell bent on utilizing only 2 QBs. Mac is a fricking idiot.
This is just unintelligent.
We're going to burn a redshirt on a season with 2 losses and hope for gold? We should just save their year, we were predicted to go 8th in the SEC overall, some say 10th and we're second. Literally second.
So we're going to burn a redshirt freshman to let him get crushed every down because we're still reeling from the last coach who didn't even recruit 75% of the offensive line that we needed?
Nah, let's take our lumps, we're rebuilding the offense from the foot down and look better at every position outside of OL and QB. OL had been looking better when we didn't have to substitute RG for center, true freshmen on guard and tackle.
It's just not smart.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:05 pm to gatorbait_007
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They have 2000 more yards on offense than us and average 7 more ppg. WITH A FRESHMAN QB.
They're also 5 - 7, are you sure you want to be using them as a barometer?
Sorry, kiddo, I think I'll take a conference championship and a winning record. Thanks for your input.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm trying to think long term (some what). What good did does it do for a potential future starter to sit out especially if our offense was limping into games. It did nothing. What's Mac gonna do for next season? Bring in another shitty graduate transfer?
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