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This loss was on Feleipe
Posted on 10/15/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 10/15/17 at 8:22 am
Hate to say it, but it was.
Sure there was some bad play calling here and there, and I'm sure you couldn't see a lot of it if you were watching on TV, but he had WIDE OPEN receivers constantly. All night.
This game was not lost because of in game play calling. It was lost because of Feleipe Franks. Which still can be on the coaches for not developing him to where he sees open guys, but all in all, this game was solely on Feleipe in my mind. He made a couple of plays and obviously had a great run, but he sees ghosts and flushes himself out of the pocket so often when he has open receivers. He did it on his first interception, he did it 7 or 8 times throughout the game, and he had Goolsby wide open across the middle on that last drive, he threw it late and underthrew it. fricking pathetic.
I understand there will be growing pains, but I want growing pains with progress. I don't see that right now. It falls on the coaches during the week not developing and preparing them, but it falls on the players in the game when we have open guys and they don't execute. It's frustrating as shite. I cussed more walking out of that game than I did any other game I've ever been to. Down 22 players including 4 of our 5 best offensive players and our 2 best defensive players, STILL better than them, STILL outgain them by 100 yards, and STILL find a fricking way to lose. It's ridiculous.
Sure there was some bad play calling here and there, and I'm sure you couldn't see a lot of it if you were watching on TV, but he had WIDE OPEN receivers constantly. All night.
This game was not lost because of in game play calling. It was lost because of Feleipe Franks. Which still can be on the coaches for not developing him to where he sees open guys, but all in all, this game was solely on Feleipe in my mind. He made a couple of plays and obviously had a great run, but he sees ghosts and flushes himself out of the pocket so often when he has open receivers. He did it on his first interception, he did it 7 or 8 times throughout the game, and he had Goolsby wide open across the middle on that last drive, he threw it late and underthrew it. fricking pathetic.
I understand there will be growing pains, but I want growing pains with progress. I don't see that right now. It falls on the coaches during the week not developing and preparing them, but it falls on the players in the game when we have open guys and they don't execute. It's frustrating as shite. I cussed more walking out of that game than I did any other game I've ever been to. Down 22 players including 4 of our 5 best offensive players and our 2 best defensive players, STILL better than them, STILL outgain them by 100 yards, and STILL find a fricking way to lose. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 8:41 am to atlgator
He is Freshman and going thru growing pains. he doesnt see the field very well and locks in on one receiver, IMO
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:32 am to atlgator
So you think we are better off with Zaire ? Franks is our best option right now . Everything your saying have been issues Mac entire time here . I don't care who the QB is because I feel like it's not going to change.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:52 am to tjv305
So why throw it 26 times if you know what we have?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:57 am to gatordmb89
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So why throw it 26 times if you know what we have?
Nuss should have been fired after Michigan.
McElwain has tied his ship to Nuss and hes going down with it.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:13 am to gatordmb89
I don't know why they called 26 pass plays . I don't have a problem with 26 pass plays as much as I do the play calling. We are running the offense Bama did with Mac and Nuss . Line up and out talent your opponent. The only issue is they can't recruit to get the players to win with that style . They seem to have no creativity on offense. We did nothing to help our offensive players.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:24 am to tjv305
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Line up and out talent your opponent. The only issue is they can't recruit to get the players to win with that style . They seem to have no creativity on offense. We did nothing to help our offensive players.
Frankly, I've had enough of UF trying to fit spread talent into a pro-style offense.
Enough of that.
The state of Florida is littered with speed.
Use the speed in a spread. Bring it back to UF where it belongs.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:36 am to atlgator
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I understand there will be growing pains, but I want growing pains with progress. I don't see that right now. It falls on the coaches during the week not developing and preparing them, but it falls on the players in the game when we have open guys and they don't execute.
Honestly, I'm not sure how much development and coaching they are getting. When is the last time the staff developed a QB? Some of the little, infuriating things Franks does like running out of bounds instead of throwing it away are simple, coachable mistakes. The fact that he was doing it in week 1 and still doing it game #6 is more of an indictment on the coaches than anything else.
"Wait until we get the next QB" has become the new "wait til next year".
This post was edited on 10/15/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:56 am to bgator85
Crazy that we resort to blaming the players???
When ALL we see on the field is the SAME mistakes game after game after game. Stupid penalties, undisciplined thuggish on field actions, dumb asses running out of bounds, blocking the wrong guy, poor gap integrity, etc. This comes from the top down. When has this dumb arse coach ever challenged a spot? We had a clear first down that he didn't even challenge yesterday. TAM went down the field and scored a TD. This same shite is every week with this guy.
Stop blaming the players. That's horseshite. This is ALL on Butters.
When ALL we see on the field is the SAME mistakes game after game after game. Stupid penalties, undisciplined thuggish on field actions, dumb asses running out of bounds, blocking the wrong guy, poor gap integrity, etc. This comes from the top down. When has this dumb arse coach ever challenged a spot? We had a clear first down that he didn't even challenge yesterday. TAM went down the field and scored a TD. This same shite is every week with this guy.
Stop blaming the players. That's horseshite. This is ALL on Butters.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:03 am to bgator85
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Honestly, I'm not sure how much development and coaching they are getting. When is the last time the staff developed a QB? Some of the little, infuriating things Franks does like running out of bounds instead of throwing it away are simple, coachable mistakes. The fact that he was doing it in week 1 and still doing it game #6 is more of an indictment on the coaches than anything else.
"Wait until we get the next QB" has become the new "wait til next year"
Del Rio looked night and day from last year to this year.
Franks is in his first year actually playing college ball and isn't ready -- happens all the time. Really, he's had one quarterback that he's been developing and it's been a universal Work In Progress.
There's a reason that even last year, when Appleby was suckin' it up that they didn't burn his redshirt.
There's a reason that we brought in Zaire and we yanked him in the Kentucky game.
There's a reason he lost the starting job.
McElwain had one quarterback who ran his system well -- Grier, and he looked like a game manager behind one of the worst lines we've had in years.
Del Rio looked to be capable this year but broke his clavicle.
There's only so much you can do -- if you remember Trey Burton, he was a TE trying to play QB. Some guys just don't have the quarterback intelligence to get the job done, Franks is one of them. He's not there mentally, and I'm not sure all the coaching in the world will get him there.
This isn't like Driskel, who had a lot of physical talent and was just in a terrible situation with coaches and the system. Driskel could read the field, but that's not what Muschamp wanted (for whatever reason), he could also run with the best of them. He had a lot of things going for him.
Franks:
Has no pre-snap awareness.
No pocket awareness.
No idea how to line up blocks.
Can't checkdown.
Scrambles when there's no reason.
Runs out of bounds instead of throwing it away.
Throws into double coverage when people are open all over the field.
Tries to do too much when he needs to give up on the play.
We don't need a playmaker at QB, we need someone who can get us first downs. Keep our defense off the field.
Zaire has got to come in, and we've got to turn into a run first, option offense. We'll never win with Franks this year outside of miracles.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:05 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
^Who's fault is it that Franks is in the game?
Blaming the players is fricking bush league.
Blaming the players is fricking bush league.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:11 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Franks:
Has no pre-snap awareness.
No pocket awareness.
No idea how to line up blocks.
Can't checkdown.
Scrambles when there's no reason.
Runs out of bounds instead of throwing it away.
Throws into double coverage when people are open all over the field.
Tries to do too much when he needs to give up on the play.
And Franks displayed the same traits against Michigan.
Tell me, if a QB is making the same mistakes in Week 1 that he is in Week 6, who's fault is that?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:16 am to boXerrumble
He ran out of bounds 2 times in the first quarter I believe for 3/4 yard losses, when he could have just passed threw the ball away. Who does that? He stares down 1 receiver the entire play. Who does that? He has happy feet in the pocket. Who does that?? Poorly coached players do that.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:21 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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He ran out of bounds 2 times in the first quarter I believe for 3/4 yard losses, when he could have just passed threw the ball away. Who does that?
Players who aren’t coached very well.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:25 am to boXerrumble
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And Franks displayed the same traits against Michigan.
Tell me, if a QB is making the same mistakes in Week 1 that he is in Week 6, who's fault is that?
There are guys who are not meant to be quarterbacks. Franks is one of them. They yanked Franks several times this season, because he is just simply not progressing. Guys absolutely fail at quarterback all the time.
Not because their coaches can't get them better, but because they simply don't have the ''it'' factor for quarterback.
Franks has an arm, he has heart, but he has absolutely no business playing quarterback in the SEC. If he wants to just throw it up into double coverage and pray that his wide receiver bails him out he needs to go play in the PAC-12 where their cornerbacks are too small.
You can teach one or two of those things to a Freshman, you can't teach all of them. If he doesn't know after playing 4 years in high school, and being one year and a half on this team those things -- he will never know them.
He's just a bandaid at this point, and honestly Zaire might as well play because Franks won't be a quarterback anywhere after next year.
This isn't like Driskel/Brissett who had the talent but needed coaches, this is like Brantley/Burton -- who had no business being quarterbacks.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:29 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Then why the frick was he recruited?
Face it straw, this staff is garbage at identifying qb talent and coaching it up. We have years of data to support that now.
Face it straw, this staff is garbage at identifying qb talent and coaching it up. We have years of data to support that now.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:30 am to gatordmb89
Uf actually called like 35 passing plays. They only got the ball off on 26 of them.
Ridiculous if you know your qb stinks.
Which apparently no one told the coaches.
Ridiculous if you know your qb stinks.
Which apparently no one told the coaches.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There are guys who are not meant to be quarterbacks. Franks is one of them. They yanked Franks several times this season, because he is just simply not progressing. Guys absolutely fail at quarterback all the time.
I think it's crazy that after 6 games you are able to declare that a RS Freshman will never be a QB, but somehow 3 years is too soon to make a determination on whether or not this staff is UF/SEC caliber.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:40 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Franks has an arm, he has heart, but he has absolutely no business playing quarterback in the SEC. If he wants to just throw it up into double coverage and pray that his wide receiver bails him out he needs to go play in the PAC-12 where their cornerbacks are too small.
Moving out West a few years ago, you might've had a point.
I can tell you watching a lot of Pac-12 ball out here, that the notion that the players are "small" out here is truly inaccurate.
There is a ton of talent out West.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:48 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Del Rio sucks. This offense struggle against Vandy with him at QB . Have you seen what Ole Miss , Georgia and Bama did to that Vandy defense? Of course the offense was smoother with Del Rio he is a coaches son and is like having a coach on the field. If we actually had coaches on the staff then the offense would look like that with out him.
Is Mac the right guy for the job ?
What do you expect from the team next year if Mac returns?
Is Mac the right guy for the job ?
What do you expect from the team next year if Mac returns?
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