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Posted on 12/14/15 at 6:16 pm to reel_gator8
Posted on 12/14/15 at 6:16 pm to reel_gator8
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Weis would sit on coolers during practices....but at least he got medical care for his offspring at Shands..which is why he came to UF I think.
I've always heard Weis was a somewhat of a forced hire to supposedly make up for Muschamp's lack of offensive knowledge. If so that was a huge misstep.
There is the Internet version of what happened with the offense and Muschamp, and there is what people around the program said was going on. The two versions have next to nothing in common, but a large part of a fanbase needs a villain at whom to direct their misery. I guess it's up to the reader to believe who they want, but I always leaned toward the people on campus who either worked in media properties or near the team.
Muschamp wasn't going to work out here, and in hindsight, I still say the reasons for it working out were laid in the first season and not entirely in his control.
My biggest knock on him is that he did have a temper and he did let that rub off on the team, often teams meaning the defense, while talented, made a lot of stupid mistakes. Muschamp seemed accepting of that explaining it was part of "playing with an edge." I don't believe that he was right about that.
What happens at USCe will say a lot more about what kind of coach he is that what happened at UF I think.
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 6:33 pm to LuciusSulla
Who would of forced it foley? Doesn't sound like something he would do
He wouldn't get off on the wrong foot with a coach like that
He wouldn't get off on the wrong foot with a coach like that
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:08 pm to gatortrav88
Screw Chump. He's USC's nightmare now.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:25 pm to olemc999
Remember how badly he was criticized for his anger issues while HC? Dude had a meltdown in his last game at Auburn that cost them 15. He hasn't learned a thing.
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Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:30 pm to genro
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Remember how badly he was criticized for his anger issues while HC? Dude had a meltdown in his last game at Auburn that cost them 15. He hasn't learned a thing.
And he never will. The guy is the antithesis of "adapt". He pads defensive stats with an offense that runs real slow. Problem is: At Florida he had top tier defensive talent (like we've had since Zook days) that could, for all intents and purposes, could run itself if it really needed to.
Muschamp then proceeded to let two different FCS teams put up over 200 yards rushing.
It's amazing that he barely has one season under his belt as DC and some Gator fans think he'll do "just fine" at a worse program economically, talent wise in a worse area of the country.
Dude's a complete sham.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:33 pm to olemc999
Muschamp is a good X and O's defensive coach. No doubt about that, and his defensive recruiting, especially at DB, is very strong. His players also loved him.
The biggest issue with Muschamis that he is NOT a good CEO, and that is what you have to be as a Major D1 head coach.
He had the smallest support staff in the SEC, he had no plan or vision for the future, as shown by the fact that he changed his entire offensive philosophy 3 times in his tenure.
And because of those two things, their offensive player evaluation was shite - and it cost him his job.
End of story.
If he can somehow become better organizationally, he might be a good coach - but some guys have that and some guys don't.
We'll see what he learned at Florida and if it translates to positive changes at USCe.
The biggest issue with Muschamis that he is NOT a good CEO, and that is what you have to be as a Major D1 head coach.
He had the smallest support staff in the SEC, he had no plan or vision for the future, as shown by the fact that he changed his entire offensive philosophy 3 times in his tenure.
And because of those two things, their offensive player evaluation was shite - and it cost him his job.
End of story.
If he can somehow become better organizationally, he might be a good coach - but some guys have that and some guys don't.
We'll see what he learned at Florida and if it translates to positive changes at USCe.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:44 pm to slayerxing
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Muschamp is a good X and O's defensive coach. No doubt about that
There is plenty of doubt in that.
All one need say is: Georgia Southern.
429 yards on the ground.
3 players with 100, or near 100 yards rushing. (125, 118 and 94.) Oh, they also averaged 7.9 yards a rush.
0 passes completed by the opposing team.
I understand the "we must not speak ill of the dead" mentality, but the dude flat out sucked in almost every facet of the game.
They had more injured players, less players on scholarship.
Excuses are out.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:15 pm to olemc999
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:31 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Ahhhh the el presidente of the Muschamp hate club. You can diss him all you want....but the guy could coach circles around anyone on defense.
Dont Ga Southern me Straw....you fricking know damn well our team was the walking wounded...at least what was left of it. Third string QB (NOBODY wins like that unless they are Urban with horseshoe up his azz), WALK ON LB playing varsity for first time and never seen after that, Jarrad Davis who was going to be redshirted as true frosh at another LB spot. You need stout play from LBers when you play triple option dude....maybe you didnt know that? DL was decimated of course when injuries struck...we couldnt sub anyone and didnt sub the next game either against the girls school when Jameis ran around backfield 50 yds and our DL had tongues hanging on the ground. I WATCHED EVERY FREAKING SNAP and Dante couldnt get a breather. Muschamp was guilty of having bad luck with injuries in 2013.
2011? Weis had two scatbacks that didnt weigh over 175 lbs and we could not run well...Brantley had to throw and we did ok....he surprised Bama by coming out with 65 yd TD pass. The we kicked FG...up 10-0 but I told my stepson that Bama circa 2011 was a NFL team in college clothing and they soon took over...Brantley or not we were going to lose. Two true frosh QBs were thrown to the lions.
Its over and I could go and on...but why bother...you say potatoe and I say potato. When Muschamp kicks our azz in a few years...dont be surprised...he will do much better recruiting next year. And last parting comment Straw..I think you need to talk to Foley and others at UF to find out what they thought of Muschamp....Ive never seen such a presser given when a HC was dismissed...and why? Cause Muschamp endeared himself to a lot of UF staff....professors, tennis coaches, track & field, basketball, volleyball, baseball, softball swimming etc etc. He loved the university and always made it a point to interact with others...something you arent aware of. The president did NOT want to fire Muschamp...but because of pressure from boosters he was forced to. They gave a rousing dismissal with appreciation for his contributions. Of course he did go 11-1 in 2012 and we went to BCS bowl....which short memories forget.
I wont comment anymore on this subject.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:16 pm to reel_gator8
Ga Southern played without 19 of their 65 scholarship athletes. The injury argument is not valid. Lets not forget they came in 4-4 in their conference that year good enough for a whopping 4th place.
You are starting to sound like Carolina fan's and I live up in SC and get to hear them everyday.
You are starting to sound like Carolina fan's and I live up in SC and get to hear them everyday.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:05 am to gatortrav88
Sorry...cant stand by and not make comment....will post info to back up my assertions, the following is from ESPN
Impact: At this point in a season marred by injuries, it started to get ridiculous. Just when the offensive line had found itself against Georgia, OL Moore fell off his scooter when it slipped on a wet sidewalk and was lost for the rest of the year. Just before it faced Georgia Southern's dangerous triple-option offense, Muschamp announced that Morrison, the team's middle linebacker and p tackler, was out for the season. To further drive home the point, Florida lost Morrison's replacement (Taylor) and then lost his replacement (Anzalone), as well as another linebacker (Kitchens) in the GSU game. At one point, the Gators turned to David Campbell, a senior walk-on who wasn't even on the game-day roster. Before the final game of the season, Florida suffered another scooter injury when Ivie sliced his heel and needed 25 stitches
Heres a list of injuries and could cut and paste...but will just condense:
Jeff Driskel injured during preseason and then in UT game early on with broken leg.
Matt Jones RB injured also in preseason and missed first two games then played just six snaps of LSU before season was over
OT Chaz Green had season cut short in preseason and never played in 2013 with torn labrum
Andre Debose WR ACL in preseason and out for year.
Jon Halapio OG hurt in preseason and missed first two games
DT Dominque Easley AA and first rounder ACL in September
Tyler Murphy QB shoulder injury in LSU and out for season.
DL Damien Jacobs Out in September for season
Trey Burton WR/QB hurt in UT game and missed several games
Alex Anzalone LB hurt in September and gone
Darrin Kitchens LB hurt in Ga Southern game and gone
Antonio Morrison LB hurt in November and gone, missed Ga Southern
Michael Taylor LB hurt in Ga Southern game and returned for girls school game
Matt Rolin LB injured in preseason and out for the year
Ron Powell LB hurt in October and gone
Jeremi Powell LB hurt in October and gone
DJ Humphries first round OT hurt in October and gone
OL Moore hurt after UGA game and gone
Yeah....Ga Southern had more injured players who started? I base what Ive said on FACTS....I dont use emotions or kneejerk reactions to crap. Now....was Muschamp a great coach? No, never said that..2014 was the undoing....and even then we were close to beating LSU and USC but Muschamp was snakebit. I dont want that kind of luck on our sideline and we will see what he does at USC.
Look at the LBer injuries and tell me it doesnt affect your defense...triple option teams like Ga Southern use pitch outs and sweeps probably 75% of the time which takes DL out of the play and puts the onus on your LBers making tackles.
Now if you wanna make stupid comments...go right ahead...but I will call you every damn time. Too many parrots that repeat what they hear.
Impact: At this point in a season marred by injuries, it started to get ridiculous. Just when the offensive line had found itself against Georgia, OL Moore fell off his scooter when it slipped on a wet sidewalk and was lost for the rest of the year. Just before it faced Georgia Southern's dangerous triple-option offense, Muschamp announced that Morrison, the team's middle linebacker and p tackler, was out for the season. To further drive home the point, Florida lost Morrison's replacement (Taylor) and then lost his replacement (Anzalone), as well as another linebacker (Kitchens) in the GSU game. At one point, the Gators turned to David Campbell, a senior walk-on who wasn't even on the game-day roster. Before the final game of the season, Florida suffered another scooter injury when Ivie sliced his heel and needed 25 stitches
Heres a list of injuries and could cut and paste...but will just condense:
Jeff Driskel injured during preseason and then in UT game early on with broken leg.
Matt Jones RB injured also in preseason and missed first two games then played just six snaps of LSU before season was over
OT Chaz Green had season cut short in preseason and never played in 2013 with torn labrum
Andre Debose WR ACL in preseason and out for year.
Jon Halapio OG hurt in preseason and missed first two games
DT Dominque Easley AA and first rounder ACL in September
Tyler Murphy QB shoulder injury in LSU and out for season.
DL Damien Jacobs Out in September for season
Trey Burton WR/QB hurt in UT game and missed several games
Alex Anzalone LB hurt in September and gone
Darrin Kitchens LB hurt in Ga Southern game and gone
Antonio Morrison LB hurt in November and gone, missed Ga Southern
Michael Taylor LB hurt in Ga Southern game and returned for girls school game
Matt Rolin LB injured in preseason and out for the year
Ron Powell LB hurt in October and gone
Jeremi Powell LB hurt in October and gone
DJ Humphries first round OT hurt in October and gone
OL Moore hurt after UGA game and gone
Yeah....Ga Southern had more injured players who started? I base what Ive said on FACTS....I dont use emotions or kneejerk reactions to crap. Now....was Muschamp a great coach? No, never said that..2014 was the undoing....and even then we were close to beating LSU and USC but Muschamp was snakebit. I dont want that kind of luck on our sideline and we will see what he does at USC.
Look at the LBer injuries and tell me it doesnt affect your defense...triple option teams like Ga Southern use pitch outs and sweeps probably 75% of the time which takes DL out of the play and puts the onus on your LBers making tackles.
Now if you wanna make stupid comments...go right ahead...but I will call you every damn time. Too many parrots that repeat what they hear.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:34 am to reel_gator8
We all fell for his demeanor in the beginning. I can't think of a UF fan that wasn't on board after his intro presser. Some fans came around to him being a phony before others did.
The fact of the matter is, this is a poor hire for SCe. They hired a guy that failed in a situation with far more resources. Another problem is he is bringing a few of the pieces that led to his failure at UF, most notably Dillman.
Their fans are excited because he came in at the perfect time, they had an older HC that had lost his fire. WM comes in, re-energized the fanbase, and has landed them a few recruits because he's a strong recruiter. The honey moon phase will wear off, especially when Dabo is running circles around him.
The fact of the matter is, this is a poor hire for SCe. They hired a guy that failed in a situation with far more resources. Another problem is he is bringing a few of the pieces that led to his failure at UF, most notably Dillman.
Their fans are excited because he came in at the perfect time, they had an older HC that had lost his fire. WM comes in, re-energized the fanbase, and has landed them a few recruits because he's a strong recruiter. The honey moon phase will wear off, especially when Dabo is running circles around him.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:47 am to gatordmb89
Dabo will run circles around him for several years because of the huge drop off in recruiting that has set program back several years....it interfered with golf Im afraid.
I think folks need to watch the video of his dismissal to see the genuine appreciation for Muschamp...have never seen such an outpour for someone getting fired. Dont think we did that for Ron Zook...thats for sure....but dont get me started because I'll defend Zook, Darnell, Pell & Dickey.... Capt Kangeroo I have a hard time with for the Jarvis Williams deal...why would he risk us having the NCAA drop the hammer on us again? And who dropped the dime on us? A disgruntled asst coach who felt screwed? It just cost us a bowl game in 1990 and winning the SEC officially.
The guys gone....no need to throw bricks anymore. USC will be a tough job to build a really good program as Spurrier did before getting tired. Can always see what results in a few years....but I bet they produce a very good defense soon.
I think folks need to watch the video of his dismissal to see the genuine appreciation for Muschamp...have never seen such an outpour for someone getting fired. Dont think we did that for Ron Zook...thats for sure....but dont get me started because I'll defend Zook, Darnell, Pell & Dickey.... Capt Kangeroo I have a hard time with for the Jarvis Williams deal...why would he risk us having the NCAA drop the hammer on us again? And who dropped the dime on us? A disgruntled asst coach who felt screwed? It just cost us a bowl game in 1990 and winning the SEC officially.
The guys gone....no need to throw bricks anymore. USC will be a tough job to build a really good program as Spurrier did before getting tired. Can always see what results in a few years....but I bet they produce a very good defense soon.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:39 pm to reel_gator8
Here is an ESPN article from the GA Southern game. LINK
I like this quote from the article "Florida has pinned its problems on a slew of injuries. But that excuse doesn't work against Georgia Southern,"
I agree they will have a great defense because that is what he can recruit like I said before is the only reason we were high in our recruiting rankings. He has proven every year at Florida he cant evaluate offensive talent and he cant recruit it.
I like this quote from the article "Florida has pinned its problems on a slew of injuries. But that excuse doesn't work against Georgia Southern,"
I agree they will have a great defense because that is what he can recruit like I said before is the only reason we were high in our recruiting rankings. He has proven every year at Florida he cant evaluate offensive talent and he cant recruit it.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:07 am to gatorbait_007
The injury argument always baffles me, GA Southern was stupidly injured with less total scholarships available.
Muschamp is a sham, offensively, defensively but especially as a head coach.
Did no one watch the Sugar Bowl where his defense got cleaved up?
What about that one time Bama put up 672 yards on Muschamp's defense?
672 yards.
Six hundred and seventy two fricking yards?
Seriously, guys, stop talking about him because he was dead and bloated in the swampwater. Dude is a grade A loser.
Muschamp is a sham, offensively, defensively but especially as a head coach.
Did no one watch the Sugar Bowl where his defense got cleaved up?
What about that one time Bama put up 672 yards on Muschamp's defense?
672 yards.
Six hundred and seventy two fricking yards?
Seriously, guys, stop talking about him because he was dead and bloated in the swampwater. Dude is a grade A loser.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Muschamp is a sham, offensively, defensively but especially as a head coach.
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What about that one time Bama put up 672 yards on Muschamp's defense? 672 yards.
Ahhhh Straw.....have you looked at Florida football history? Dont think so.
I guess Spurrier was a sham also?
His team allowed 629 fricking yards against Nebraska in a national championship game dude
UF finished I believe with-minus 28 yds rushing to their 524 yards rushing. We only gave up 64 fricking points.
Give up Straw...you are outmatched. I could give you tit for tat all freaking day long.
PLEASE give me list of injured Ga Southern players while you are at it and how many were starters we had SEVEN LBers injured before or during GSU game and I posted evidence....and stop being a parrot because it was posted on internet. No facts no truth.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:30 pm to bengalbait
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Believe me when I say if SOS couldn't deliver SEC east winners with his superior coaching ability then there is no chance Chump will.
I think we have a different situation. When SOS got to SC, we lacked any real recruiting presence, besides getting the occasional stud from SC or GA. Our facilities were not good at all by SEC standards and we had a 20 year drought of mediocrity. Holtz gave us a few good wins and started the fanbase to believe, but the situation wasn't great by any means.
Spurrier's first staff was a hodge podge of guys with some SEC experience, but he made a bad hire in John Hunt and our OL sucked so bad that it made everything about our games bad. We didn't even start recruiting well until 2007. SOS's 2nd staff was much better and we got guys like Ellis Johnson, Eric Wolford, Jay Graham and Shane Beamer who really turned things around for us. The recruiting improved and we started winning more games.
Then in '11, '12, '13 we lost EJ, Graham, Beamer and Lawing and Spurrier didn't replace them with great hires. We costed on '13 based on the past coaching those players received and then '14 the wheels came off. Those hires were the result of SOS turning the reigns over to Jr and Jr also became the Recruiting Coordinator (in title only, he didn't like taking calls past 7 p.m. The recruiting wasn't awful in '13, '14, and '15, but it wasn't great either and we had too many bad evaluations (4*'s who came in and didn't work out for whatever reason, or who didn't qualify.)
However, during this time SC went on a massive spending spree on facilities, we now have a new IPF, new practice fields, new player dorms/suites, new training facilities, stadium upgrades, and the increase in revenues the entire SEC has experienced with the SECn/ESPN deals.
So Champ is walking into a MUCH better situation than SOS walked into. He's already made several great hires for Asst Coaches and he's putting more money into the Support Staff than we've ever done before.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:38 pm to gatorbait_007
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2012: 5th ranked recruiting class. No offensive talent 2 lineman total.
I've seen that mentioned about Muschamp's classes, basically lack of OL talent brought in. While I don't know one way or the other how that all went down, I think that won't be an issue (any moreso than it has been,) at SC. Coach Elliott has brought in solid OL recruits and develops them pretty well looking at his 5 year track record. We had 3 OL drafted the past 2 seasons, and that's more than we had in the previous 10 years. We took 6 OL last year, and we'll have about 4 OL in this class, so that's about on Par with what we usually do.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:43 pm to genro
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Remember how badly he was criticized for his anger issues while HC? Dude had a meltdown in his last game at Auburn that cost them 15. He hasn't learned a thing.
You can't really quantify the impact of outbursts in a positive manner. We've all seen coaches get fired up/pissed off and players feed off of that to go make plays. It's only when it's negative and costs yards on penalties that you quantify it.
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