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re: So, apparently, Grier still hasn't won the starting role just yet...
Posted on 9/29/15 at 1:31 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 9/29/15 at 1:31 pm to boXerrumble
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Is that confirmed that Treon is for sure transferring?
I haven't seen that anywhere, although it wouldn't be surprising.
He'll be done with Florida for sure after this year. Unless Grier goes down with an injury which is entirely possible. He gone. Outside of that, he's been trouble off the field and mediocre on the field.
Why choose a mediocre quarterback with off field issues over a mediocre quarterback who doesn't?
Although, Grier has a very, very high ceiling.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 1:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
i've heard no rumors of treon transferring, but if he isn't the starter here then why would he stay? it's not like he has more eligibility remaining than grier.
IF he redshirted next year AND wanted to take a chance on grier leaving after his junior year(rsj)then i could see him staying, but w/e.
i don't see that happening, but a rshirt sr treon harris would probably be a badass at qb.
it's just an assumption on my part.
IF he redshirted next year AND wanted to take a chance on grier leaving after his junior year(rsj)then i could see him staying, but w/e.
i don't see that happening, but a rshirt sr treon harris would probably be a badass at qb.
it's just an assumption on my part.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 3:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Grier in the UT game:
1-10 - misses wide open Callaway over the top - perfect type of throw to be INT'd by safety, but luckily, safeties were playing too wide to take advantage.
3-6 - leaves the pocket after 1 second didn't even look to pass - leads to punt (pressure was not that bad).
Punt
1-10 - behind Jake Mcgee on roll out, jake makes a great catch spinning around and takes it for a first down
Only pass of drive - 3 straight runs = TD by Kelvin Taylor
2-3, UT blitzes, picked up, CJ worton is open underneath - Grier dumps it down, Worton not even looking. Weird play.
3-3, no pressure, easy throw in 5 yard out, timing is completely off with Grier and Callaway, misses what should have been an EASY first down.
Punt
1-10, some pressure, doesn't even look to pass, runs right into sack
2-15, no pressure, good pass on a short 5 yard in by Brandon Powell working left to right, 7 yards after catch on well timed throw, 3-3 to go now.
Kelvin Taylor running play on 3rd down - gained 2, needed 3
Punt
After 3 runs and a first down
1-10 DRob 7 yard curl - first read, easy pass, good pass and catch - gains 9
2-1, audibles at the line (sees blitz) hits Callaway on easy 5 yard curl, good pass and catch, gains 4 more after catch
1-10, 5 yard out to Callaway moving left to right, good pass, Callaway just alligator arms it. INCOMPLETE
2-10 UT blitzes, Mcgee left open on short 3 yard out going right to left, rumbles for 4 additional yards. Good throw.
Maybe worst play call of the day in my opinion - read option on 3-3, destroyed by UT.
Punt
1-10 after UT TD - stands in pocket, delivers great pass to Callaway in middle of the field - 13 yard gain
1-10 throws slightly behind Callaway as he runs right to left across the field - deflected - good defense - INCOMPLETE
3-13 - after loss on a run by taylor - late to Brandon Powell on a little hook route, he takes it 11 of the needed 13 yards, but can't get a first down. An earlier throw may have been a first down here.
4-2 great pass on roll out to Jake Mcgee - gain of 13 - big first down
2nd worst play call of game due to timing - trick play doesn't work avlin bailey pass inc
2-10 miscommunication with WR Antonio Callaway, throws deep, but WR broke it off short
3-10 overthrows simple out to Jake Mcgee - good throw is probably a first down
Punt
1-10 after UT FG - perfect back shoulder throw to Callaway against a really good corner.
1-10 (after a few runs) no one open, barnett gets pressure, Grier takes off for a couple yards
2-7 Does not look of safety, terrible throw and read - INT
INT
So lets recap the first half:
On 21 drop backs - (please note he was not under a lot of pressure the line played pretty well)
He was 10-18, 115 yards, 1 INT
3 runs, -5 yards (1 sack)
of his 8 misses,
1 overthrow on first down - first play of game
2 of them were very simple third down routes that he simply missed.
2 were dropped by WR
1 was a miscommunication
1 is a horrible read and INT at a really bad time
1 is a PBU on a good play by corner
To look even closer, on third down: 1-3, 11 yards, 1 rush -5 yards rushing, 1 sack 0-4 third down conversions with the ball in his hand. 1-1 4th down for 13 yards and 1 conversion. 2 of his misses on 3rd down were simple missed opportunities.
Take what you want from this. I will do the 2nd half when I have time.
Point is though, a lot of opportunities were left on the field because of unforced errors in this half in the passing game.
1-10 - misses wide open Callaway over the top - perfect type of throw to be INT'd by safety, but luckily, safeties were playing too wide to take advantage.
3-6 - leaves the pocket after 1 second didn't even look to pass - leads to punt (pressure was not that bad).
Punt
1-10 - behind Jake Mcgee on roll out, jake makes a great catch spinning around and takes it for a first down
Only pass of drive - 3 straight runs = TD by Kelvin Taylor
2-3, UT blitzes, picked up, CJ worton is open underneath - Grier dumps it down, Worton not even looking. Weird play.
3-3, no pressure, easy throw in 5 yard out, timing is completely off with Grier and Callaway, misses what should have been an EASY first down.
Punt
1-10, some pressure, doesn't even look to pass, runs right into sack
2-15, no pressure, good pass on a short 5 yard in by Brandon Powell working left to right, 7 yards after catch on well timed throw, 3-3 to go now.
Kelvin Taylor running play on 3rd down - gained 2, needed 3
Punt
After 3 runs and a first down
1-10 DRob 7 yard curl - first read, easy pass, good pass and catch - gains 9
2-1, audibles at the line (sees blitz) hits Callaway on easy 5 yard curl, good pass and catch, gains 4 more after catch
1-10, 5 yard out to Callaway moving left to right, good pass, Callaway just alligator arms it. INCOMPLETE
2-10 UT blitzes, Mcgee left open on short 3 yard out going right to left, rumbles for 4 additional yards. Good throw.
Maybe worst play call of the day in my opinion - read option on 3-3, destroyed by UT.
Punt
1-10 after UT TD - stands in pocket, delivers great pass to Callaway in middle of the field - 13 yard gain
1-10 throws slightly behind Callaway as he runs right to left across the field - deflected - good defense - INCOMPLETE
3-13 - after loss on a run by taylor - late to Brandon Powell on a little hook route, he takes it 11 of the needed 13 yards, but can't get a first down. An earlier throw may have been a first down here.
4-2 great pass on roll out to Jake Mcgee - gain of 13 - big first down
2nd worst play call of game due to timing - trick play doesn't work avlin bailey pass inc
2-10 miscommunication with WR Antonio Callaway, throws deep, but WR broke it off short
3-10 overthrows simple out to Jake Mcgee - good throw is probably a first down
Punt
1-10 after UT FG - perfect back shoulder throw to Callaway against a really good corner.
1-10 (after a few runs) no one open, barnett gets pressure, Grier takes off for a couple yards
2-7 Does not look of safety, terrible throw and read - INT
INT
So lets recap the first half:
On 21 drop backs - (please note he was not under a lot of pressure the line played pretty well)
He was 10-18, 115 yards, 1 INT
3 runs, -5 yards (1 sack)
of his 8 misses,
1 overthrow on first down - first play of game
2 of them were very simple third down routes that he simply missed.
2 were dropped by WR
1 was a miscommunication
1 is a horrible read and INT at a really bad time
1 is a PBU on a good play by corner
To look even closer, on third down: 1-3, 11 yards, 1 rush -5 yards rushing, 1 sack 0-4 third down conversions with the ball in his hand. 1-1 4th down for 13 yards and 1 conversion. 2 of his misses on 3rd down were simple missed opportunities.
Take what you want from this. I will do the 2nd half when I have time.
Point is though, a lot of opportunities were left on the field because of unforced errors in this half in the passing game.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:31 pm to slayerxing
Very good analysis.
Also, as with a lot of young QBs, Grier gets happy feet in the pocket a lot of times, and loses his footwork when throwing and his accuracy becomes off.
A few times, he was very accurate off his back foot, like the 4th down throw to McGee on the first TD drive in the 4th Q.
But he is a RS Freshman, and mistakes like these are to be expected.
Also, as with a lot of young QBs, Grier gets happy feet in the pocket a lot of times, and loses his footwork when throwing and his accuracy becomes off.
A few times, he was very accurate off his back foot, like the 4th down throw to McGee on the first TD drive in the 4th Q.
But he is a RS Freshman, and mistakes like these are to be expected.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:34 am to boXerrumble
Seems like Callaway and him have issues on which routes are supposed to be run. Who's to blame for that? I'd feel like if it's just happening with him then it's Call's fault. I'm assuming we have multiple option routes so maybe him being a freshman means he is miss reading what route to take on his cut.
Grier def gets happy feet way to soon though.
Grier def gets happy feet way to soon though.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 2:52 am to Gatorbait2008
Actually, I disagree about the happy feet...I have made it a point to watch his footwork. Yes, he has had happy feet some and it seems more like the past two games more than the first two and that probably is because of competition.
For a r/s frosh he hangs in there quite well. Watch Peyton as junior and senior at UT ( I did) and he really had happy feet which took a while in the pros to cure.
Tendency for a young talented QB with strong arm is for them to trust arm more than their brains. They will throw off back foot when they shouldnt. Coaches try to instill in them the importance of throwing away a pass than forcing it....hard for most to accept because they want to win so badly and they try to make a play. With our defense the QB should understand that a punt isnt bad at all.
Grier is still learning skillset in actual game mode and thats hard...but thank God we had first game with NMS and then progressed to ECU, a pretty fair team, to the SEC. The progression of our schedule was perfect. Our team overall, not just QB, benefitted from UK & ECU.
For a r/s frosh he hangs in there quite well. Watch Peyton as junior and senior at UT ( I did) and he really had happy feet which took a while in the pros to cure.
Tendency for a young talented QB with strong arm is for them to trust arm more than their brains. They will throw off back foot when they shouldnt. Coaches try to instill in them the importance of throwing away a pass than forcing it....hard for most to accept because they want to win so badly and they try to make a play. With our defense the QB should understand that a punt isnt bad at all.
Grier is still learning skillset in actual game mode and thats hard...but thank God we had first game with NMS and then progressed to ECU, a pretty fair team, to the SEC. The progression of our schedule was perfect. Our team overall, not just QB, benefitted from UK & ECU.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:02 pm to finchmeister08
Dude looked like hot garbage the first 3.33 qtrs. Sloooooooooow down.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We need backups. There is no one behind WG if he wins the job. UTs D is average at best. I will wait to see how WG does against better teams before I give up on Treon.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
JD looks the same as he did at UF. The talent level masks his problems.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Murphy was a below average passer and great runner.
Brissett was an average passer
JD was JD
They've all looked the exact same since they left UF.
Brissett was an average passer
JD was JD
They've all looked the exact same since they left UF.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:27 pm to reel_gator8
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None of us are the HC at UF and I wish we would have put Harris in the game when Grier struggled so badly in 2nd and 3rd qts...it could have cost us the game.
Did he perform great in 4th qt? Hell yes. But UT had the pass rush hitting Grier a lot and a fresh qb for 2 series could have been a difference maker.
Dont think for a second he trying to motivate Grier...Grier knows he made a lot bad throws and decisions...we need more than 1 qt of great football. If Harris practices well this week...I think you will see him spell Grier for a series or two. Grier has to protect his body...that OL will get him killed and he needs to know when to slide. One qb is not enough with this young OL.
Agreed.....Treon needs to be making better decisions off the field too.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:29 pm to reel_gator8
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ell...I know one thing...NOBODY on this board can question Coach Mac on his decisions...he has pushed all the right buttons and we are 4-0 and believe it or not the defense had a helluva lot to do with us being 4-0.
If Coach Mac decided to insert Bullard at QB...he has earned the right to make that decision...but of course if he did do that and Bullard couldnt get job done...he would hear it loud and clear.
HC Mac also said Treon is welcomed back and is a part of the team. If we want to kick out 1/2 the team for pot then lets do it. If Mac is ok...Im ok.
I remember being 19 yrs old.
Agreed again.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 4:08 pm to reel_gator8
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If Coach Mac decided to insert Bullard at QB...he has earned the right to make that decision
As long as he doesn't put McAlister in at QB....Jarrad might try to tackle him again
Posted on 9/30/15 at 5:20 pm to KajunGator
Posted on 9/30/15 at 5:57 pm to TJGator1215
Murphy played really well at BC.
Brissett has balled since going to NC State.
JDriskels numbers are pretty good at LA Tech.
What does that tell you? Our offense for the last 4 years sucked and the coaching sucked.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:13 pm to boXerrumble
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Murphy played really well at BC.
Brissett has balled since going to NC State.
JDriskels numbers are pretty good at LA Tech.
What does that tell you? Our offense for the last 4 years sucked and the coaching sucked.
People still mindlessly trample all over Driskel even though his numbers (while certainly not stellar) are no where near as bad as they were here.
Just like the rest of the guys who left under Muschamp's tenure.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 11:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The problems the past four years are the direct result of not having the right OC....simple as that Muschamp was snakebit...too much bad mojo followed him and his OCs all sucked whale penis.
Just imagine if Boom would have had someone like McElwain as OC? McElwain is the truth when it comes to play calling and having the offense ready. But he didnt and it was his downfall. McElwain really impresses me...not just for the Xs and Os...but his attitude with players and even the media. He was very very vanilla in preseason, he is good at sidestepping questions posed to him...he would throw out things like "Thats why the Univ of Fla is a place where players want to come to" out of the clear blue. Or "the players really have had good practices and are invested"....but never giving specific answers to anything. So many little quips he thrown out that are pure entertainment....like him answering QB questions in camp and throwing out thing like its good he doesnt have to play the position...etc etc or the post game interview and selling more popcorn stuff.
I think his players fight hard but he has them focused and loose at same time.
Just imagine if Boom would have had someone like McElwain as OC? McElwain is the truth when it comes to play calling and having the offense ready. But he didnt and it was his downfall. McElwain really impresses me...not just for the Xs and Os...but his attitude with players and even the media. He was very very vanilla in preseason, he is good at sidestepping questions posed to him...he would throw out things like "Thats why the Univ of Fla is a place where players want to come to" out of the clear blue. Or "the players really have had good practices and are invested"....but never giving specific answers to anything. So many little quips he thrown out that are pure entertainment....like him answering QB questions in camp and throwing out thing like its good he doesnt have to play the position...etc etc or the post game interview and selling more popcorn stuff.
I think his players fight hard but he has them focused and loose at same time.
Posted on 10/1/15 at 7:14 am to boXerrumble
Again he was a great runner and a below average passer
Murphy stats
Driskel has been great against lower tier teams, just like he was at UF. Again nothing has changed except the level of competition he has played.
espn game logs
Brissett has looked fantastic against lesser competition but terrible against better teams except for FSU. Including stellar games of 4-18 for 35 yards against Clemson and 8-19 for 83 yards against powerhouse WF. Yes the coaches sucked but these players weren't as good as they were ranked. Save for Murphy. They're play was on par with what they've done at UF.
LINK
Their QBR tells more to the story than just their numbers
Murphy stats
Driskel has been great against lower tier teams, just like he was at UF. Again nothing has changed except the level of competition he has played.
espn game logs
Brissett has looked fantastic against lesser competition but terrible against better teams except for FSU. Including stellar games of 4-18 for 35 yards against Clemson and 8-19 for 83 yards against powerhouse WF. Yes the coaches sucked but these players weren't as good as they were ranked. Save for Murphy. They're play was on par with what they've done at UF.
LINK
Their QBR tells more to the story than just their numbers
This post was edited on 10/1/15 at 7:16 am
Posted on 10/1/15 at 7:30 am to reel_gator8
He wasn't snake bit or had bad mojo. He made terrible decisions because he had no grasp on how to manage or run an offense, His recruiting, hires, and philosophy all point to this. He should of stayed a DC.
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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there is absolutely no way Harris takes the job back unless Grier really, really sucks it up.
I wouldn't put it past Grier, tbh.
I like Grier. He's got a good arm, he's athletic, and he came through big-time in the clutch last weekend... but he has some terrible habits. Seems to always make throws off his back foot for no reason at all and he makes some bad decisions.
Against a defense like Ole Miss where he will probably be under pressure all night, I'm pretty nervous. I'd bet that Treon Harris gets a series or two (though I don't think he's any better).
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