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re: McElwain is 11 - 1 when playing at home.

Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:56 pm to
We've must've been in a coma because the offense save for the UK game has looked the same all year. You are what your record says you are. UT, Arkansas and Vandy are all mediocre teams. Points scored all year: UF 188. Michigan the last 4 games 210. Yes the team maybe loaded with seniors but that doesn't change the fact that Michigan looks worlds better than we do in the same amount of time with a better staff and recruits. They would kill our schedule and us. Being young isn't an excuse especially when the HBC who is a supposed "guru" has his players and his scheme in place and it looks just. Like. The. Guy. you just fired.

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1 SEC-WEST (A) = 86.49 86.72 ( 1) 7 86.45 ( 1)
2 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 79.09 79.49 ( 2) 6 79.30 ( 2)
3 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 78.45 77.85 ( 5) 6 78.15 ( 3)
4 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 77.40 78.80 ( 3) 7 77.50 ( 5)
5 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 77.29 78.08 ( 4) 7 77.58 ( 4)
6 BIG 12 (A) = 77.19 75.76 ( 7) 10 76.62 ( 6)
7 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 76.35 75.96 ( 6) 7 76.07 ( 7)
8 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 74.74 74.02 ( 8) 7 74.40 ( 8)
9 SEC-EAST (A) = 71.95 72.84 ( 9) 7 72.61 ( 9)
10 AAC WEST (A) = 70.92 70.01 ( 10) 6 70.38 ( 10)


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At Arkansas and VU being good teams :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 7:01 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 11:09 pm to
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Yes the team maybe loaded with seniors but that doesn't change the fact that Michigan looks worlds better than we do


TJ...

Yes it does.

Them being loaded with seniors helps quite a bit

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Being young isn't an excuse especially when the HBC who is a supposed "guru" has his players and his scheme in place and it looks just. Like. The. Guy. you just fired.


It's almost like that guy recruited players for his type of offense and that the new guy has to use players from his type of offense to run it.

And for what it's worth, absolutely not.

500 yards against two SEC teams for the first time since 2008. The East has sucked for more than two years since then and we've gotten the job done even with backup quarterbacks.

But hey, having an offense full of seniors makes no difference because it's loaded.

You're so dumb sometimes.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 11:15 pm to
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You are delusional about Michigan. They would be easily undefeated with our schedule right now.


You can't say that at all. You have no idea what injuries they would have if they actually had to play the schedule we do.

Michigan is not waltzing into LSU and winning that game, Alabama could barely score. I don't even think Michigan can beat Arkansas to be quite honest. This is the exact same thing that happened with Boise State a few years ago.

If they beat Ohio State, we may need to relook it, but if Wisconsin and LSU played again today, LSU wins that game convincingly and Michigan squeaked by.
Posted by TJGator1215
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/11/16 at 12:13 am to
WM and Mac practically run the same offense. All the guys starting on offense now are his recruits. It doesn't matter if it's a loaded roster or not. I guarantee you if we had JH and Mac was at UM the results would be far different.

We haven't averaged over 400 yards per game in a year this decade your boys at VU are the only other team not to do that. What job have we gotten done? Getting boat raced by good teams? We're 6-23 vs the top 25 since 2010.


Currently #12 in total offense, #5 in passing O, #12 in rushing offense, and #10 in scoring in the SEC. We're averaging 15 ppg our last 4 games and less than 350 ypg. We have less than 250 ypg 3 outta the last 4 SEC games. We got held to 25 rushing yards by the secs #11 rushing defense and 3 points by the #10 scoring defense.

Those 500 yards games were against a horrible mizzou and average UK with a bad defense. Both rank #12 in scoring defense, #10-UK, #12-miz in passing defense, and both are #12, #13 in rushing defense. Those games fools gold for this offense, just like 2012 and 2015 were pointed at as by WM-Mac supporters as evidence that WM and Mac were great coaches. Another case of fool's gold.



This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 7:52 am
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:00 am to
You never saw receivers running wide open when Muschamp was here. We have receivers running open all over the field. We just can't hit them because of our quarterback.

Mac is fine. His offense works and once we get a quarterback who is capable of playing at a D1 level, this offense is going to take off. Mac was forced to take two average to below average transfer quarterbacks because Muschamps QBs either sucked or were drug addicts. Luke Del Rio and Austin Appleby are not his vision at the quarterback position, I guarantee you that. We have to wait and see if HIS guys, Feleipe Franks, Kyle Trask, Jake Allen, and further in the future Artur Sitkowski are capable. I like the young QBs and hope that Trask or Franks can turn around the stagnancy on offense.

You're the reason that Florida fans have a stigma where coaches can't live up to expectations. He came into a dumpster fire and needs time to turn the program around. You probably won't even admit that there's a chance that Franks or Trask can be better than what we've seen. Do you watch the games closely enough to see that there are wide receivers running wide open all game and we have a quarterback who can't hit them? There's obvious progress. You're too blind, negative, and delusional to see it. You've been rooting against Mac since he was hired, so your opinion on the matter doesn't make a difference to me. frick off. Who do your Noles play this week?
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:40 am to
He wasn't forced to take those 2 QBs, he CHOSE them. In fact LDR was touted as the best QB on the team. Better than Grier.

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That’s somewhat lost in the conversation of Del Rio, the son of Oakland Raiders coach Jack Del Rio. The redshirt sophomore has been hyped up by Florida coaches, players and media since last summer, when ESPN reported he was impressing during offseason workouts and chucking the ball “better than anyone.”






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el Rio, the son of Oakland Raiders coach Jack Del Rio, sat out this season because of NCAA transfer rules and will be a redshirt junior in 2016. The 6-1, 215-pound quarterback impressed coaches during the offseason and again this fall running the scout team.

“He’s been having some really good practices,” UF first-year coach Jim McElwain said. “I think you guys were probably updated even through kind of the summer of when he came here he was a little bit of a sparkplug out there.”

McElwain recruited Del Rio when he was at Colorado State, but the quarterback opted to walk on at Alabama after developing a close relationship with offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier.

When Nussmeier left for Michigan, Del Rio transferred to Oregon State to play for coordinator John Garrett.

Now, both Nussmeier (offensive coordinator) and Garrett (quality control coach) are at Florida.

“He’s a guy who kind of knows how to go about it,” McElwain said, complimenting Del Rio’s work ethic and knowledge of the playbook. “He’ll be a guy obviously heavily in the mix. We’re sure excited he’s here.”




His offense only marginally works against bad teams and is a disaster against mediocre and good teams.
Have you been drinking?


I didn't say I could win with my dog at QB. He did. He's paid millions to improve the offense and with his players he hasn't done that. His staff hires have been average at best, he doesn't make halftime adjustments and he's a poor recruiter. Fans expectations here are no different than any other big football school. Trask will never start here and Franks will be the starter in 2 years. The problem is Mac's staff can't recruit elite players at OL or DT(zero in '15&'16), LB or S. RB, TE, and DE are decent, WR and CB are the only bright spots. Allen is an average QB at best, similar to LDR with a bad back. I see that the OL can't run block, or we play with zero urgency or energy every game, that we never try to block punts, that Mac spends the majority of the game just standing with his arms crossed, that the staff never deviates from the game plan, etc. Oh I agree I thought the Mac hire was a disaster, because:

A. He wasn't worth the cost
B. He wasn't a big name guy or known to recruits
C. His CSU teams feasted on poor teams
D. Saban assistants rarely work out.

E. Hiring Nuss, after his michigan debacle, Collins and Kirk Freaking Callahan.

So yes I don't care for Mac that's true, but I hate jeremy Foley more his terrible football and bball hires this last 6 years. So far I've been right. Great coaches can turn bad programs around fast look at Harbaugh, Meyer, etc. You guys are invested in Mac and until he's fired you see no wrong. He will be fired after we go 6-6 or 7-5 because of his poor hires and recruiting. It's been almost 3 months since we've had a commit. If stricklin had balls he'd fire him at the end of the year and stop the bleeding. Mac is in over his head like WM. His record is almost identical and so are the offensive and defensive stats.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 7:48 am
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:26 am to
You are hilarious.

Listen, this isn't the SEC of 2006-2012. The SEC is a much weaker conference right now

Here are the best teams that Michigan has played
7-2 Colorado - won 45-28
7-2 Wisconsin - won 14-7
7-2 Penn State - won 49-10

Michigan has played 3 seven win teams and beat them all.

All of those teams would smash the current version of Florida.

Florida hasn't played a single team that has won 7 games. They have played two teams that won 6.

The results?

6-3 Tennessee - Lost 28-38
6-3 Arkansas - Lost 10-31

If you think Michigan would have similar results, you are fricking nuts.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:31 am to
And let me just say, although I have lost faith in Mac, I am not at TJ levels at this time.

But to make the case that Michigan would not be doing well with our weak arse schedule is just silly.

They are clearly a better team, much better, than Florida. And that is because Harbough walked in to a better situation, and then took advantage of it.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:02 am to
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Michigan is not waltzing into LSU and winning that game, Alabama could barely score. I don't even think Michigan can beat Arkansas to be quite honest


Michigan is a lot better right now then when they kicked our arse last year. We are worst and getting worst with every game. We can play the comparison game all we want bottom line, UM is a much better coached team than UF and that is the elephant in the room. McElwain's team in 2 seasons have gotten worst as the season progressed and that is very disturbing. I also do not see any 1 player that has improved or who he has made better. If you say the team is young, great, but wouldn't this young team get better???

McElwain sucks as a HC and anyone thinking different is either blind or sunshine pumping. We have got to stop hiring guys that are not ready for the position. UF is not the place to learn on the job. We are 2 years in and NO ONE knows if McElwain will work out. That is asinine. We need a coach that WE KNOW WILL WORK OUT. UF has been insignificant in football the last decade. Can we afford another year or 2 of McElwain? We can't settle for unknowns. We have to go after a proven coach. Harbaugh was a no brainer, he can coach. We need a no brainer.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:06 am to
Look at Vanderbilt. Yes, they suck but I can actually see improvement from last year to this year. They are improving this year which gives you a little bit of hope. I have ZERO hope for this team. I didn't have any last year and I have none right now. I have zero hope for next year either. Nothing McElwain does promotes excitement or hope. I have never had this low expectations for UF football. Never. I'm not even excited about the game tomorrow. I expect a close game that we probably will lose in embarrassing fashion. Either way, we will derp all over the field tomorrow with WTF penalties, horseshite offense and dumb arse coaching.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 12:18 pm to
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And that is because Harbough walked in to a better situation, and then took advantage of it.


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But to make the case that Michigan would not be doing well with our weak arse schedule is just silly.


I've seen this before, though, with, ironically a team from the Big 10.

Remember that time OSU was going to come punch us in the mouth?

We don't know dick about their conference except they stole a few in the beginning of the year. After that, we need to wait until bowl season.

The West is going to dominate and if Appleby can get a little more calmed we'll see what happens. I just think it's way too early to call him a Pariah -- Meyer went in and won 10 games a year easy with a team that was almost completely destroyed.

This year he lost to PSU.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 12:28 pm to
This isn't 2006 anymore. The big 10 plays legit football. Osu won the title two years ago. The sec west is Alabama. everyone else is average except for maybe auburn.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:11 pm to
^ Exactly. The Big10 is better than the SEC right now. UF, UT, UGA, LSU all being down is a major reason. I'm still not real impressed with Auburn as well. Outside of Alabama, I don't think any of our teams can beat the top 5 Big10 teams.

The decline is real...
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 1:12 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:32 pm to
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Exactly. The Big10 is better than the SEC right now. UF, UT, UGA, LSU


You mean the same LSU that lost by a field goal to Wisconsin @ Wisconsin with a Les Miles team?

That same team almost beat Michigan and LSU, and needed a miracle and home field advantage to beat LSU by 2 when they still had Miles.

Neither of those teams are going to LSU right now and winning, sorry to bring you guys down, but LSU is maybe the fourth best in the West, Michigan and OSU are not running any tables.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 2:41 pm to
Lol. Now osu can't win there either lol.

Wisconsin out played lsu by a ton. LSU was only in it because of a bunch of turnovers.

Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 9:09 pm to
You do know that game was played in Lambeau??? Your SEC homerism is glaring. We'll see come bowl season.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:56 pm to
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Lol. Now osu can't win there either lol.


They couldn't beat PSU, I don't know why you think they could go to LSU and beat them.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:01 am to
PSU, OSU, and michigan are good teams and OSU would easily beat LSU.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:32 pm to
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Don't start this shite. Our coach sucks a big bag of donkey dicks and you know it.



I still really like Coach Mac as the HC for y'all. I think he's got the short end of the QB stick. Grier was playing great and that ended badly. If he can bring in another QB who is at least above average, I think that's the first step in the right direction.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35588 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 12:29 am to
We've got 4 QBs on the roster. That's twice as many from last year. You'd think one of them is competent enough but no, he chooses to get by by rotating 2 of them.
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