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re: FIRE JIM MCELWAIN
Posted on 10/8/17 at 10:28 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 10/8/17 at 10:28 pm to finchmeister08
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It’s amazing how he’s turned USF around. Was Texas an anomaly?
Hard to say. About half the big time money at Texas hated him from the moment he was hired, Red McCombs in particular. When you constantly are looking over your shoulder at one of the richest among many rich donors continually lobbying to fire you and trying to hire Nick Saban, well, that isn't the healthiest of environments.
On the other hand, a lot of the criticism of his recruiting while at Texas I think was probably fair. Also, I watched my share of Texas games while he was there - anybody that pisses of Red McCombs is A-OK in my book - and he did have quite a few Les Miles moments where his time management pissed away the game.
He was legitimately handed a clown car of a program, and he did clean it up. But he was also unable to develop a quarterback. I think what got Strong the job was Teddy Bridgewater. Mack Brown was killed by his inability to produce a follow up QB to Colt McCoy, and Strong had this complete monster at QB that had taken an SEC team to the woodshed a bit in the Sugar Bowl... can't remember which team that was now...
Anyway, he never was able to develop a solid QB either, and that was that. Sound familiar? He may actually be the coach he was at UL and not Texas, but no one knows quite yet. If we're firing Mac after three (which I still doubt), it better be for more of a lock than Charlie Strong, and I do like the guy as much as a lot of people here.
Honestly, Ole Miss should throw an entire Federal Reserve branch at him to get him here, which they do have the money to do if the money men here are behind it, but that is a whole 'nother story.
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:36 am to LuciusSulla
Perine said the plays are coming in too slow, Franks didnt want to say anything.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:41 am to dbuchanon
Play calls coming in slow has been an issue for 3 years. This offensive staff is a disaster.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:43 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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FIRE JIM MCELWAIN by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
There are valid excuses:
Starting Receivers 1 and 2 are out of the game.
Starting Running back is out of the game.
Starting Quarterback is out of the game.
On defense, we had: Six freshman defensive backs rotated into the game. Holy shite.
But we didn't lose because of that, we lost because of gameplan. Hopefully we come out a little more inspired the next game, because A&M is giving Alabama a show right now.
bullshite excuses. WR are just fine- even without callaway and Cleveland.
Can you really call del rio the starter? Plus, this is year 3 and Mac still doesn't have a qb? He bungled the Grier situation.
Sure, we played freshmen on D especially at DB. Why are we in year 3 and needing to do that? Plus, I don't hear Uga fans giving excuses when they are playing freshman too.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:24 am to Moustache
If Mac had just guaranteed that Grier would be the starter Grier would be starting this year and UF would probably be undefeated.
The most important decision of Mac's coaching tenure to date was letting Grier leave.
The most important decision of Mac's coaching tenure to date was letting Grier leave.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:36 am to dcbl
Thoughts on Mike Leach? The guys seems like a total savage.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:40 am to GatorBalls14
Leach is one of my favorite coaches.
He has Wazzou in the top 10 with a walkon QB.
He has Wazzou in the top 10 with a walkon QB.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:43 am to GatorBalls14
I really think mac will be fine as a coach here if he just changes his staff.
Bring in a good OC, like Darrell Dickey at memphis, or if you want more of a home run, someone like Jonathan Smith/Matt Lubick from Washington.
There are lots of great coordinators out there that run effective offenses. UF just needs to hire one.
Bring in a good OC, like Darrell Dickey at memphis, or if you want more of a home run, someone like Jonathan Smith/Matt Lubick from Washington.
There are lots of great coordinators out there that run effective offenses. UF just needs to hire one.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:01 pm to slayerxing
I don’t buy the fire nuss, bring in someone else, and we will be ok. I learned that from muschamp. We’re in year 3, this is Mac’s offense. If he was unhappy with it he would have fired nuss last year (but instead gets him a raise and extension).
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:06 pm to slayerxing
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There are lots of great coordinators out there that run effective offenses. UF just needs to hire one.
I feel like every team taht has a shitty HC says this. Hell, this was said under Muschamp. Name one program that was struggling and was saved by an all-star coordinator.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:40 pm to Moustache
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bullshite excuses.
That can be debated.
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WR are just fine- even without callaway and Cleveland.
Swain and Patton are no where near the same caliber of Callaway and Cleveland. Lightyears apart.
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Can you really call del rio the starter?
The offense runs a shite ton better with him, a lot smoother under him. I'd say that's pretty important.
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Plus, this is year 3 and Mac still doesn't have a qb? He bungled the Grier situation.
We can agree on this to some extent. I've always maintained that even if Grier stayed, in Mac's eyes he was probably a hazard and you can't blame him. Kid took PEDs, next bust is a ban from football. We can't have that.
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Sure, we played freshmen on D especially at DB. Why are we in year 3 and needing to do that?
Because Muschamp hadn't recruited anyone outside of his starters. That's why we have only underclassmen and a Muschamp walkon playing right now at LB -- because behind the starters there was no one.
THEN, to make matters worse, two more LBs were cut/suspended from activity due to fraud. I've never blamed coaches for players doing illicit activity, won't start now.
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Plus, I don't hear Uga fans giving excuses when they are playing freshman too.
Funny you should say that because I actually posted what our starting depth charts look like:
Florida:
8 Freshmen
8 Sophomores
6 Juniors
2 Seniors (Counting Nickelback/Y Receivers)
Georgia:
3 Freshmen
2 Sophomores
7 Juniors
11 Seniors
UGA is playing 3 freshmen total.
Underclassmen starting for FLA: 16 (2/3s of our team)
Underclassmen starting for UGA: 5 (Less than a third)
Why is this different?
Mark Richt recruited much better, managed his depth chart better and hit his recruiting points a lot better.
UGA had ten win seasons 4 out of their last 5 years.
They ranked #8 in recruiting the last five years.
Florida was almost in the abyss of being 6 - 6 every single season, but McElwain came in and won 10 games back to back years -- with a majorly depleted roster.
6 Offensive Linemen on scholarship.
No quarterback after PEDs.
No kicker.
1 RB who wasn't a freshman.
Can you remember a decent receiver that looked even half-good as Callaway or Cleveland from Muschamp's era?
How many linemen from Muschamp's team are currently starting on our team? (0) How many quarterbacks? (0) How many receivers? (0) shite, outside of the quarterback and two offensive linemen, Kirby Smart doesn't have a single player on that team that is actually his -- that was coached up by him. They all came from his predecesor.
After two years, there isn't a Muschamp recruit to be found.
To the rest:
It's bullshite that the offense isn't getting better. Watch the goddamn games again, gents. There is a big pocket, and if we had a quarterback who could manage it -- we would be just fine. LDR looked MUCH better after last year, Franks is starting his first games after losing his best players ALL around him (2 junior impact players, then his favorite receiver) and we are having to adjust on offense.
The playcalling is terrible, but what I'm saying is: When Del Rio was in the game, the playcalling was decent -- hell, you might even say it was okay. The runs were going for huge chunks, great blocking downfield.
I fricking hate losing to LSU, and we didn't look good this game, but we can't just sweep 15 scholarship players (our #1 QB, #1 & #2 receivers, #1 RB and #1 S for defense) under the rug.
It's bullshite that we say it's the same as Muschamp, he lost to an FCS -- this team would never lose to an FCS. The team is broken, depleted in depth and we have to retool everything after losing Cleveland.
Can we not call for the Coach's head after every game? The OC is fine, if he hired a proven OC even from the FCS who could come in and give our team a more unorthodox look on offense I'd be ecstatic, but considering what McElwain's working with:
He's done a pretty good job.
I mean, he loses all of those players on offense and he's still in control of his own destiny in the SEC East.
Jimbo, working at FSU for seven years loses his starting QB and might not even go to a bowl.
We should hate that game, poor game by McElwain, worst in his tenure -- but it could be way fricking worse.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:16 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Year 3 and we are still blaming muschamp? This is 3 recruiting classes for mcelwain. Mac's shite recruiting (outside of the 18 class) is catching up to him.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:18 pm to dbuchanon
Kiffin or Brohm are my two most wanted. Young, and brilliant offensive minds. Kiffin got thrown into a HC gig too soon. He needed to grow more. He has. He is going to be elite. Just knows this game.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:21 pm to Moustache
Dude... people are still blaming Meyer and Muschamp before they blame Mac.
3 recruiting classes in, we are the least athletic I've seen us at Linebacker in my lifetime, the secondary is in disarray and can't tackle, and the DL is about the only decent unit on the defense, and even they have their deficiencies.
The offense has 3 years of his recruits and still can't do shite.
I mean, how many recruiting classes does he need? 5? 6?
3 recruiting classes in, we are the least athletic I've seen us at Linebacker in my lifetime, the secondary is in disarray and can't tackle, and the DL is about the only decent unit on the defense, and even they have their deficiencies.
The offense has 3 years of his recruits and still can't do shite.
I mean, how many recruiting classes does he need? 5? 6?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:37 pm to slayerxing
Macs first recruiting class is a mulligan due to the hire being late in the cycle. Not a big coaching name and it takes time to cultivate relationships with these kids. Seems to have found some footing now for the next two classes.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:22 pm to Moustache
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Year 3 and we are still blaming muschamp? This is 3 recruiting classes for mcelwain. Mac's shite recruiting (outside of the 18 class) is catching up to him.
Can anyone name a starting Muschamp offensive player?
One? Kirby Smart has 17 players starting from his predecesor (it might be 18 or 19, but I think the point stands).
What about defense?
Nick Washington and Duke Dawson? Both have looked mediocre compared to their Freshmen counterparts (It's a pick six if Henderson jumped that route).
Outside of that, there are no Muschamp players and after them there was no one recruited -- as we're seeing right now.
QB has been the same for 8 years -- MAC'S FAULT.
Malik Davis is the best RB we've had in 8 - 10 years -- Crickets.
Cleveland is the best WR we've had in 8 - 10 years -- Crickets.
Toney is the best playmaker we've had in 10 years -- Crickets.
It's so bizarre that none of you actually watch the games again -- I've already rewatched it once, I'll probably watch it again. The Offensive Line is doing much better, we're running better and our receivers look better.
Franks isn't ready and he has no other weapons outside of two true freshmen playmakers to make things happen.
The defense lost two backup Linebackers, the number 1 Safety and at every other position aside from Washington and Duke Dawson are freshmen.
LSU has 4 and 5 stars all over the field, we have what's essentially our second string offense and defense playing every game and we lost by one.
It's absolutely true, he should have had a more involved gameplan. It's absolutely true that he should have predicted or at least seen that Franks wasn't ready for the position -- but again, all of our playmakers were either out of the game or suspended.
It sucks, but like I said: FSU lost their quarterback and they might not even bowl. That's far more alarming than McElwain having to rebuild the program from scratch because the last coach had a losing record over two years and had no idea how to manage his roster.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
^^FSU is a better team than this Florida crew. Sorry to break it to you but this Gator team is one of the worst in DECADES. You shall soon see.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:21 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Yet they cant win without their starting QB. Thanks for backing us up :)
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
"Malik Davis is the best RB we've had in 8 - 10 years -- Crickets.
Cleveland is the best WR we've had in 8 - 10 years -- Crickets.
Toney is the best playmaker we've had in 10 years -- Crickets."
If that's the case why weren't Malik or Toney on the field on the last two plays and why did they barely participate in the 4th quarter???
CRICKETS MOTHER frickER.
Cleveland is the best WR we've had in 8 - 10 years -- Crickets.
Toney is the best playmaker we've had in 10 years -- Crickets."
If that's the case why weren't Malik or Toney on the field on the last two plays and why did they barely participate in the 4th quarter???
CRICKETS MOTHER frickER.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:29 pm to slayerxing
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If that's the case why weren't any of them on the field on the last two plays and why did they barely participate in the 4th quarter???
My God man.
Cleveland is injured
Toney was hurt during his long run
Davis was on the 2nd to last play, not so good in pass pro so Thompson was in on 4th down
Did you even watch the fkn game????
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 5:30 pm
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