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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA

Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:56 am to
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:56 am to
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Gottdamn...this shouldn't even be considered functionally retarded.


Isn't that how most NBA and NFL players are?

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Serious question, is there a school in the USA where you could gain admittance with this score?


Grambling or Tuskegee State.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:02 pm to
Just heard on the radio the TarHoles claimed "sovereign immunity" and got lawsuit dismissed.

If anybody has written link, please post

Using sovereign immunity is a crappy defense for this issue, what a lame way to end it.

1 UNCheats / Dean Smith
0 UNC academics / UNC students
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 11:33 am to
Now on ESPN LINK

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A judge dismissed a lawsuit Friday in which two former University of North Carolina athletes alleged the school failed to provide them and other athletes a quality education by directing them toward sham classes.

Mecklenburg County Superior Court Judge Robert C. Ervin sided with arguments from attorneys representing UNC-Chapel Hill. They said the statute of limitations and sovereign immunity prevented former football player James Arnold and former basketball player Leah Metcalf from pursuing their case.


Unless this thing goes to the Supreme Court, this may be done.

Would love to see the sovereign immunity issue get tested. With schools being more driven by corporate issues and less about education would be an interesting test case. Might open up tax evasion via "forced sports donations" and that whole can of worms.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:32 am to
Just one question here.

Do you think this actually kills the repuation of the entire University? Or just these majors?

As far as I know in my industry the Business school has a very very good reputation. And I have seen nothing that has been scarred by this coming from that school.

Of course, we all know football and basketball players aren't majoring in that.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 10:47 am
Posted by RoyalAir
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:09 am to
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Do you think this actually kills the repuation of the entire University? Or just these majors


It severely damages it for me, yes. But my experience has also been shaped by a former co-worker from UNC who was barely functioning in any formal capacity. To say she was stupid is being generous.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:31 am to
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sovereign immunity


....holy shite, that's impressive that their defense pulled that off. It won't help us/set a precedent for us though.

Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:45 am to
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It severely damages it for me, yes. But my experience has also been shaped by a former co-worker from UNC who was barely functioning in any formal capacity. To say she was stupid is being generous.



So you work with people who majored in African American studies?
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:03 am to
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So you work with people who majored in African American studies?


Worked. Former employer put stock in where someone went to school if it was their first job. This girl was white, majored in some marketing BS, and got a job in an undesignated role because HR was impressed with the UNC degree. We needed extra help in our department, and she was available, as she was essentially sitting waiting for a formal task. She lasted in our department less than 14 days before we gave her back and decided we were better off without her.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 6:58 am to
Gotcha.

Can't say I work with UNC grads now (don't really work with any southern school grads outside of UVA, DUKE or Vandy)

That said when I did I didn't find any problems. Definitely more disciplined than me too when it came to going out during the week.

A little too "clean" for my liking if you understand what I'm saying.
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 6:45 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 3:39 pm to
Dook trips player, not suspended for next game LINK
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:24 am to
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-m-smith/college-basketball-an-unhealthy-addiction_b_9463152.html

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The return of March Madness has office pools humming. For decades, from the epic Magic and Bird final of 1979 to the era of the one-and-done's, the nation's appetite for college basketball has continued to grow. Buzzer beaters and Cinderellas and shining moments have created an "addictive" spectacle. Even president Obama eagerly fills out his brackets.

Among the most serious costs of this national "addiction" is the hypocrisy it cultivates among the leaders of our public universities. Gate receipts, NCAA tournament bonuses, and the goodwill and fundraising advantages that allegedly accrue to schools with a successful basketball "brand" have led the stewards of universities to ignore or tacitly accept practices that directly conflict with the core missions of their institutions: to pursue truth and to educate tomorrow's leaders.

Take one of the top seeds in this year's tournament, the North Carolina Tar Heels. We have learned much about the athletic-academic scandal uncovered at UNC between 2010 and 2015. We know that the fraud involved hundreds of classes and thousands of students. Faculty and administrators in many offices were complicit in the scam. They helped athletes enroll in notoriously soft courses across multiple departments. We know that many athletes stayed eligible for competition thanks to generous grades handed out in sham classes scheduled specifically for them. But a key detail about UNC's experience with academic fraud has gone largely unnoticed -- thanks to the university's assiduous PR management and a strangely desultory NCAA investigation. The system of academic fraud cooked up around 1990 was initially intended to benefit one team in particular: the men's basketball team.

The first UNC course offered as a favor to the basketball team, scheduled in 1988, was an independent study for two painfully weak students who hovered at or below the eligibility line. They received helpful B's, and out of that little experiment the UNC course scam was born. In fall 1992 one star of the basketball team ostensibly pursued an independent study with a faculty member who was on sabbatical at the time. (I know this because I shared a fellowship leave with that faculty member.) This had to have been one of the "shadow" courses offered by the administrative assistant who played such a central role in the fraud, a generous woman whose closest friend was the basketball team's academic counselor. She assigned A or B grades in the shadow courses, which required no attendance and little work. One player on the 1993 team took seven suspect courses with her help; four starters on that team majored in the department where she worked. UNC's 1993 championship run seems to have been aided and abetted by fraud.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 10:27 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 3/17/16 at 6:14 pm to
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The first UNC course offered as a favor to the basketball team, scheduled in 1988, was an independent study for two painfully weak students who hovered at or below the eligibility line. They received helpful B's, and out of that little experiment the UNC course scam was born.


Dean Smith era (10 cheating years)
1987–88 Elite Eight
1988–89 Sweet Sixteen
1989–90 Sweet Sixteen
1990–91 Final Four
1991–92 Sweet Sixteen
1992–93 Champions
1993–94 Second Round
1994–95 Final Four
1995–96 Second Round
1996–97 Final Four

Bill Guthridge era (3 cheating years)
1997–98 Final Four
1998–99 First Round
1999–00 Final Four

Matt Doherty era LOL (3 cheating years)
2000–01 Second Round
2001–02 No post season
2002–03 NIT Quarterfinals

Roy "cry me a river" Williams era (13 cheating years)
2003–04 Second Round
2004–05 Champions
2005–06 Second Round
2006–07 Elite Eight
2007–08 Final Four
2008–09 Champions
2009–10 NIT Runner-up
2010–11 Elite Eight
2011–12 Elite Eight
2012–13 Third Round
2013–14 Third Round
2014–15 Sweet Sixteen
2015–16 ????

29 years of cheating at UNC, still no "loss of institution control"



Looks like UCLA all over again but 3 times longer.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:44 am to
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ook trips player, not suspended for next game LINK


Love that dude.

Then again I also loved JJ Reddick and Greg Paulus...

WHITE BALLERS.

Rare breed gotta stick together.
Posted by 1801
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:00 pm to
Dan Kane continues to do not only the Lord's work, but that of an entire (dis)Organization located in indianapolis indiana.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article69262627.html March 31, 2016 4:30 PM

Key dates

1999: Deborah Crowder, the department secretary for African studies, started disguising the fake independent study classes she was directing – used heavily by athletes – as lecture classes. She later told investigator Kenneth Wainstein that the change was to avoid the university’s 12-hour limit on independent studies.

2003: A faculty report makes reference to the “current rule” of only 12 hours of independent study.

2004-05: The men’s basketball team wins the national championship. Its players account for 35 enrollments in the fake classes during the year, including one player who took four such courses in the spring semester.

2006: A change in the university’s undergraduate bulletin changes language of “special studies” to include “independent studies.” Prior bulletins had a 12-hour limit for special studies, and identified independent studies as correspondence courses.

2015: Relying on the 2006 change, UNC tells the NCAA and the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges that the independent study limit did not apply until the 2006-07 academic year.


we all know that this goes all the way back to The Nose...

Lie, Lie, Lie again - and if that doesn't work Lie some more - UNC

Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:40 pm to
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1999: Deborah Crowder, the department secretary for African studies, started disguising the fake independent study classes she was directing – used heavily by athletes – as lecture classes. She later told investigator Kenneth Wainstein that the change was to avoid the university’s 12-hour limit on independent studies.


Looks like they are trying to avoid hitting Dean Smith, his last season was what 96-97 so the timing gives time to pimp the spin he was not in on it.

NCAA pimping again for school the kiss arse for.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:35 pm to
KSR report (UK site) on UNC LINK
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 10:55 pm to
After that game tonight, I feel bad for the UNC players who have to face their imaginary classmates tomorrow.


Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 3:44 pm to
Wildcats beat Georgetown in Rupp

Wildcats beat UNCheats in TX

Somewhere the Baron is laughing his arse off.

I was in Rupp for that win against Gtown and hung with the Villanova folks at their hotel after the game (it was a crappy hotel and has since been torn down) and that was a great group of folks to win a Natty. Their fans were totally cool.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:40 pm to
NEW Notice Of Allegations heading to UNCheat

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article73163537.html

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NCAA officials say a new notice is close to being released.


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Q: Will the new notice reflect enough change to convince some fans the NCAA wasn’t trying to give UNC an opportunity to win a national championship?

A: UNC’s men’s basketball is one of the nation’s marquee programs, and the team came into the season as the favorite to win it all. Fans from other schools speculated the delay was staged to let the team compete for a championship. A new notice that’s insignificantly different from the first is likely to fuel fan concerns that UNC receives special treatment.


Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:22 am to
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NEW Notice Of Allegations heading to UNCheat


It's HERE!

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ap-source-unc-notice-allegations-ncaa-case-38652359

Not all the details yet, but UNC has received the new NOA.

quote:

North Carolina has received a new document from the NCAA outlining violations connected to the school's long-running academic fraud scandal, a person with knowledge of the investigation said Monday.

The arrival of the new Notice of Allegations jumpstarts a case that has been stalled in a procedural limbo since August.

The person spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because UNC hasn't made a formal statement about the second notice's arrival. The person declined to comment on changes contained in this document compared to the notice sent last May.


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