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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:30 pm to CockInYourEar
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:30 pm to CockInYourEar
https://media2.newsobserver.com/content/media/2016/8/2/UNC-Response-to-2016-ANOA.pdf
Here is the whole 73 page response. They are even arguing the statue of limitations in years...even though they asked for more time to investigate with the Caldwell and Weinstein reports...wow.
Here is the whole 73 page response. They are even arguing the statue of limitations in years...even though they asked for more time to investigate with the Caldwell and Weinstein reports...wow.
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Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:40 pm to CockInYourEar
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Here is the whole 73 page response.
I went to South Carolina man.
I can't stay occupied that long to read that.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:58 pm to CockInYourEar
Another interesting piece of word-smithing in this NOA response, is they do not mention "men's basketball" one time, but they do mention "women's basketball." That's odd b/c men's basketball was in the NOA and so was football.
Here is the NOA again, and just a few of the references to football.
Here is the NOA
Here is the NOA again, and just a few of the references to football.
Here is the NOA
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FI15: June 19, 2007 – Email from Boxill to Crowder. This includes, but is not
limited to, Boxill stating that she directed an AFAM course for a then
football student-athlete.
(Item1_BoxillToCrowder_061907_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI47: September 11, 2009 – Email from Nyang'oro to Cynthia Reynolds
(Reynolds), former associate director and director of football in ASPSA.
This includes, but is not limited to, Reynolds' request to see Nyang'oro
about paper topics for student-athletes.
(Item2_NyangoroToReynolds_091109_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI48: June 19, 2009 – Email from Reynolds to Andre Williams (A. Williams),
former director of football student-athlete development. This includes, but
is not limited to, Reynolds' statement that Crowder was retiring from the
AFRI/AFAM department and that the football student-athletes should
expect C's and D's if they failed to turn in papers before Crowder's
retirement.
(Item8_WilliamsFromReynolds_061909_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI51: March 16, 2009 – Email from Reynolds to A. Williams. This includes,
but is not limited to, Reynolds' spreadsheet listing the football studentathletes
enrolled in AFRI/AFAM courses and their corresponding tutoring
or mentoring assignments.
(Item8_WilliamsFromReynolds_031609_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI79: November 15, 2009 – Email from Reynolds to Corey Holliday (Holliday),
associate athletic director for football administration. This includes, but is
not limited to, Reynolds explaining to Holliday that she would move a
football student-athlete out of a section of AFAM that required attendance
into a "paper course" section.
(Item7_HollidayFromReynolds_111505_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI84: – Email from Crowder to Holliday. This includes, but is not
limited to, Crowder mentioning that she would change a football studentathlete's
grade once he turns in a paper.
(Item7_HollidayFromCrowder_ _NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI119: – Email from Crowder to , former football
student-athlete, and , former football student-athlete. This
includes, but is not limited to, Crowder expressing her disappointment that
the two student-athletes turned in the same paper, providing them with a
new assignment and pointing out how she usually gives them the benefit
of the doubt.
(Item2_CrowderTo _ _NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI121: September 24, 2007 – Email from Crowder to Reynolds. This includes,
but is not limited to, Reynolds mentioning that half of a Swahili class
enrollment consisted of football student-athletes.
(Item2_CrowderToReynolds_092407_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI126: – Email from Crowder to Walden and
, then football student-athlete. This includes, but is not limited
to, Crowder mentioning that they would make a special arrangement for
in his AFAM class.
(Item2_CrowderToBlanton_ _NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI208: March 16, 2009 – Email from Lee to Bridger and Overstreet. This
includes, but is not limited to, Lee providing a list of all football studentathletes
enrolled in "paper courses."
(Item2_BridgerFromLee_031609_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI252: PowerPoint drafted by Bridger for the football staff. This includes, but is
not limited to, Bridger pointing out that the staff put football studentathletes
into courses where they did not have to go to class, did not have to
meet with professors and did not have to pay attention or take notes.
(PowerPoint1_WainsteinSupplement_NorthCarolina_00231)
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 5:05 pm to CockInYourEar
Like with football, they didn't mention "men's basketball" in their NOA Response, but men's basketball was clearly noted in the NOA.
https://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NCAA-NOA.pdf
and the ever damning...
https://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NCAA-NOA.pdf
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November 12, 2009 – Email from Huffstetler to Jennifer Townsend
(Townsend), associate director in ASPSA and men's basketball athletic
academic counselor. This includes, but is not limited to, Townsend
describing a professor's reaction to teaching a course with 50 enrolled
student-athletes.
(Item7_HuffstetlerToTownsend_111209_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI71: July 14, 2005 – Email from Boxill to Huffstetler. This includes, but is not
limited to, Boxill providing the grades for men's basketball studentathletes
enrolled in her philosophy course.
(Item7_HuffstetlerFromBoxill_071405_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI74: June 11, 2009 – Email from Boxill to Huffstetler. This includes, but is not
limited to, Boxill's offer to help a men's basketball student-athlete enrolled
in a philosophy course.
(Item7_HuffstetlerFromBoxill_061109_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI116: April 28, 2006 – Email from Crowder to Walden. This includes, but is not
limited to, Crowder mentioning that a number of men's basketball studentathletes
came by to drop off their papers.
(Item2_CrowderToWalden_042806_NorthCarolina_00231)
quote:After the 2012 investigation and during the statue of limitations that UNC is now arguing...interesting. They were still in those classes even after 2012.
FI221: December 14, 2014 – Interview transcript of Roy Williams (R. Williams),
head men's basketball coach. This includes, but is not limited to, R.
Williams' concern about the number of men's basketball student-athletes
majoring in AFRI/AFAM.
(RWilliams_TR_120414_NorthCarolina_00231)
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FI225: September 24, 2014 – Interview transcript of Joe Holladay (Holladay),
former assistant men's basketball coach. This includes, but is not limited
to, Holladay's understanding that Walden helped the men's basketball
student-athletes pick courses.
(JHolladay_TR_092414_NorthCarolina_00231)
and the ever damning...
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The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that
went unchecked for 18 years. This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these
courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically
at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and
women's basketball.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:23 am to CockInYourEar
I can't believe you actually read that thing.
I got a headache.
I got a headache.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:32 pm to CockInYourEar
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Another interesting piece of word-smithing in this NOA response, is they do not mention "men's basketball" one time, but they do mention "women's basketball." That's odd b/c men's basketball was in the NOA and so was football.
Here is the NOA again, and just a few of the references to football.
Here is the NOA
You are revising history: speaking of revisions, the NCAA submitted a revised NOA to UNC that eliminated references to both MBB and FB, but retained references to Boxill and WBB. What you're referencing is the original NOA that is no longer current, and what UNC is not responding to. The revised NOA has been posted in this thread...
edit: actually YOU were the poster that first posted the news about the NCAA's revised NOA in this thread. I posted the pdf of the revised NOA below your post - it was dated April 26, 2016. The NOA pdf you linked above is the original NOA dated May 20th, 2015...
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/7/16 at 6:53 pm to ConwayGamecock
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:28 am to ConwayGamecock
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You are revising history: speaking of revisions, the NCAA submitted a revised NOA to UNC that eliminated references to both MBB and FB, but retained references to Boxill and WBB. What you're referencing is the original NOA that is no longer current, and what UNC is not responding to. The revised NOA has been posted in this thread...
Look back at what I wrote on the last page (or I posted it below as well.) I don't think I'm revising history at all, I just wrote what was already found in the investigation. There was indeed an amended NOA, but it said on the first page that the stuff from the original NOA was still active.
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Saw this on another site. Apparently, men's bball and football are STILL IN THE NOA. The UNC PR machine is just putting out there that they aren't named anymore. Those weasely bastards.....
This is what I copied from another site.
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See PG 1 of the Amended NOA: " Please note that the policies and procedures outlined in the May 20, 2015, notice of allegations and corresponding cover letter still apply."
LINK
So football and MBB are still mentioned there on pg 49 of the 5/15/15 NOA and are still applicable. See Page 49 of the May 15, 2015 NOA attached below:
LINK
This ANOA does add a few interesting things. 1) failure to cooperate. 2) repeat offender. It brings up the 2012 infractions.
"A history of Level I, Level II or major violations by the institution, sport program(s) or involved individual [Bylaw 19.9.3-(b" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer">. They include: March 12, 2012 – Violations of NCAA legislation regarding academic fraud, impermissible benefits, impermissible participation, unethical conduct, failure to monitor, preferential treatment, failure to cooperate and failure to report outside income"
The rumors floating around this past weekend and late last week that the Amended NOA were reaching back to 1989 for MBB were just rumors.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:33 am to ConwayGamecock
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UNC is laughing at the NCAA:
They may be laughing now, but I don't think they're going to get out of this. Their response was arrogant and attacked the core of the NCAA's mission statement (not the part the ESPN lady focused on, but the last part
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and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount."
The student's athlete's educational experience is supposed to be paramount. Fake classes and a decades long program designed to feed athletes into those classes aren't in accordance with that last part.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 6:55 am to CockInYourEar
Im fine with putting football and basketball players in "athletic majors"
I just want them to be eligible to win me games.
I just want them to be eligible to win me games.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/10/16 at 3:16 am to CockInYourEar
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Look back at what I wrote on the last page (or I posted it below as well.) I don't think I'm revising history at all, I just wrote what was already found in the investigation. There was indeed an amended NOA, but it said on the first page that the stuff from the original NOA was still active.
quote:
Saw this on another site. Apparently, men's bball and football are STILL IN THE NOA. The UNC PR machine is just putting out there that they aren't named anymore. Those weasely bastards.....
This is what I copied from another site.
quote:
See PG 1 of the Amended NOA: " Please note that the policies and procedures outlined in the May 20, 2015, notice of allegations and corresponding cover letter still apply."
LINK
So football and MBB are still mentioned there on pg 49 of the 5/15/15 NOA and are still applicable. See Page 49 of the May 15, 2015 NOA attached below:
LINK
This ANOA does add a few interesting things. 1) failure to cooperate. 2) repeat offender. It brings up the 2012 infractions.
"A history of Level I, Level II or major violations by the institution, sport program(s) or involved individual (4) the available hearing procedures and opportunity to respond to the allegations.
I guess so, but then in order for this to be true, we would have to accept that in this case, "policies and procedures" are a new way to describe "allegations", and NOT the reference to the NCAA's policies and procedures that the member institution must follow in addressing whatever "allegations" a said Notice is making.
My understanding is that the allegations have been amended by the NCAA: they once included football and men's basketball, but no longer do. Despite that, UNC must still follow the same policies and procedures for the amended Notice of Allegations, that they were expected to follow for the initial Notice of Allegations. The cover letter included with the initial NOA submitted on May 20, 2015 contained a listing of included items, such as the allegations, as well as :
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(4) the available hearing procedures and opportunity to respond to the allegations.
In fact, after the initial paragraph of the four-page cover letter, the rest of the correspondence addresses almost entirely NCAA policy and procedure regarding how UNC is expected to respond to the allegations. The cover letter for the amended April 25, 2016 NOA is only one single page consisting of two small paragraphs, so of course when it says the policies and procedures outlined in the initial NOA submittal and cover letter still apply, it's referring to the NCAA's policies and procedures outlined on the initial cover letter, and nothing about anything UNC is accused of.....
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 3:36 am
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:03 pm to ConwayGamecock
Chizic using the practices he learned while at Auburn University and doing work to fight off the NCAA.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 3:55 pm to scrooster
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I was really beginning to think that they were going to walk-away scott free on all of this - and they still might - but this gives one hope that perhaps there is justice in the world.
Looks like getting off scott free is still their plan.
BTW, is Scrooster banned again?
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:41 pm to Cheese Grits
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Looks like getting off scott free is still their plan.
BTW, is Scrooster banned again?
No. I corresponded with his son this week and he let me know that he's just been traveling abroad around the Pacific and Caribbean. He's doing well and everything is fine with his health. He went to some Gamecock functions in SC too, but then went back abroad. I would just consider him on indefinite vacation and he may or may not return to post here again.
I'm just counting down the days now to see if the NCAA still chooses to exist or not.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 5:08 pm to CockInYourEar
I heard that scrooster was really Steve Spurrier, and could be found now posting in the UF forum.....
Posted on 8/19/16 at 11:07 am to ConwayGamecock
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I heard that scrooster was really Steve Spurrier, and could be found now posting in the UF forum.....
lol
I think he'd get a kick outta that though.
My wife and I were fortunate enough to be invited to attend Jerri and his anniversary - a memorable weekend down in Daytona. Coach went all out with the spread - a ton of people showed-up ... including Eric & Pauline Hyman. He was much more personable than he'd ever been before around us IMHO.
I'm ready for some football now. I was hoping to return to good news about UNC getting the hammer - I guess that's never gonna happen. What a damn travesty.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 11:08 am to scrooster
God damn fam he's back
Posted on 8/19/16 at 11:48 am to CockInYourEar
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No. I corresponded with his son this week and he let me know that he's just been traveling abroad around the Pacific and Caribbean. He's doing well and everything is fine with his health. He went to some Gamecock functions in SC too, but then went back abroad. I would just consider him on indefinite vacation and he may or may not return to post here again.
I'm just counting down the days now to see if the NCAA still chooses to exist or not.
Amen on the NCAA thing. We ran into some big UNC boosters at Happy's on Waikiki ... damn I do not like UNC fans. I don't care what anyone says, the old ACC rivalry thing still exists and they are the biggest $#!+ talkers in the conference next to the taterheads.
About our game they were "if this" and "if that" and they claimed to remember all of these bad calls against them in our game and "if" they had not been robbed of that game and the Clemson game they would have won the national championship ... etc.
Then came the NCAA investigation talk and I swear to gosh they think they should be able to get away with murder because they are UNC. My oldest daughter is a UNC grad and that school totally tainted her mental capacity by the time she graduated - something about that place corrupts peoples' minds.
Glad to know it was you my Son was communicating with CiyE. Actually, we did not come back to SC all summer ... we went to an event down in Daytona, well, near Daytona, where we saw a lot of fellow Gamecocks.
We're gonna miss Coach and Jerri, but it was time for them to go home. I'll never forget the first day he arrived, the first time I was introduced to him that day and sitting there watching him give his "Why not us" speech. He almost got us to the promised land.
We'll get there one day - hopefully in my lifetime.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:12 pm to scrooster
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Glad to know it was you my Son was communicating with CiyE. Actually, we did not come back to SC all summer ... we went to an event down in Daytona, well, near Daytona, where we saw a lot of fellow Gamecocks.
No worries
I saw some threads on a couple of these boards where people were asking about you, so I thought I'd reach out to him to make sure you're still kicking around. Posted on 8/19/16 at 10:16 pm to CockInYourEar
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No worries I saw some threads on a couple of these boards where people were asking about you, so I thought I'd reach out to him to make sure you're still kicking around.
He dropped by the farm house this afternoon when he saw my truck in the driveway on the way by the house. When I got here I smelled something like dead flesh and found one of our big freezers full of a couple of grand worth of meat had gone bad while we were gone. :::::: sighhhhhhh :::::: I hate wasting food. I mean a ton of steaks and venison and elk and some gator meat and a couple of $200 whole tenderloins. Big hams and turkeys. We spent all afternoon with the backhoe burying the stuff on the back forty and cleaning up the mess. He and I both almost threw up pulling spoiled meat outta that chest freezer.
Y'all had a hot summer while I was gone around here.
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