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How soon will SC host predetermined postseason play and what will it be
Posted on 6/22/15 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 6/22/15 at 6:05 pm
With the NAACP likely lifting their ridiculous boycott on SC after the flag leaves the state house grounds the NCAA should lift its ban on predetermined postseason play hosted in the state of SC.
When, where and what sport do y'all think comes here first? Initially I thought CLA and the men's basketball tournament but I think the ACC baseball tournament or SEC basketball tournament might try to host in Charleston ASAP assuming there are facilities down there they can use
When, where and what sport do y'all think comes here first? Initially I thought CLA and the men's basketball tournament but I think the ACC baseball tournament or SEC basketball tournament might try to host in Charleston ASAP assuming there are facilities down there they can use
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 6:38 pm to Cockopotamus
The only thing ridiculous about the boycott by the NAACP is the fact that it had to be implemented in the first place...
It bothered me for a long time (and honestly still does) how some fans of college sports can be ardent supporters of black athletes, wear their jerseys, beg for their autographs, blast rap music at their tailgates..... but can't understand the pain the ideology behind that flag causes to those same athletes. It's really amazing. The day that thing comes down, and is moved to a museum where it belongs, we'll become a better state for it.
Now to answer your question... It'll probably by something ACC or baseball related. I would like to see a bowl game in Charleston (there was talk at one point), but IMHO there isnt a stadium in the charleston area that can support a bowl game crowd. CofC has no football team..
It bothered me for a long time (and honestly still does) how some fans of college sports can be ardent supporters of black athletes, wear their jerseys, beg for their autographs, blast rap music at their tailgates..... but can't understand the pain the ideology behind that flag causes to those same athletes. It's really amazing. The day that thing comes down, and is moved to a museum where it belongs, we'll become a better state for it.
Now to answer your question... It'll probably by something ACC or baseball related. I would like to see a bowl game in Charleston (there was talk at one point), but IMHO there isnt a stadium in the charleston area that can support a bowl game crowd. CofC has no football team..
Posted on 6/22/15 at 7:54 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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The only thing ridiculous about the boycott by the NAACP is the fact that it had to be implemented in the first place...
You're right. The NAACP agreed to move it to the confederate memorial and then reneged on the bipartisan deal immediately after the flag came down and instituded the boycott that lead to the NCAA ban.
Like I said, ridiculous
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t'll probably by something ACC or baseball related. I would like to see a bowl game in Charleston (there was talk at one point), but IMHO there isnt a stadium in the charleston area that can support a bowl game crowd. CofC has no football team..
Yea I think it will probably be the ACC baseball tourney too. I like to see the SEC basketball tourney go to Charleston since it already rotates but I'm not sure if that's possible since the best arena is the College of Charleston's
Posted on 6/22/15 at 7:56 pm to Cockopotamus
basketball related, probably by 2019
Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:30 pm to Cockopotamus
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You're right. The NAACP agreed to move it to the confederate memorial and then reneged on the bipartisan deal immediately after the flag came down and instituded the boycott that lead to the NCAA ban.
Which was a moment of major incompetence by the NAACP.. History has shown repeatedly that appeasement doesn't work.
Of course, there wasn't the political clout to remove the flag then that exists now..
I'm glad the NAACP isn't orchestrating this current attempt to remove the flag. Maybe it'll finally happen.
To be frank, I could care less what happens beyond the flags removal. Flying it on public property shouldn't just offend African Americans but any American in general.. it's quite un-American.
Build a nice big confederate history museum and put it there. The confederacy doesn't have a Smithsonian yet.. Put it in Charieston.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:49 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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To be frank, I could care less what happens beyond the flags removal. Flying it on public property shouldn't just offend African Americans but any American in general.. it's quite un-American.
Because everybody is supposed to have the same perspective and interpret subjective symbols exactly the same
This isnt what this thread was supposed to be about but saying the flag doesn't belong next to a monument dedicated to confederate soldiers is absurd
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:56 am to Cockopotamus
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This isnt what this thread was supposed to be about but saying the flag doesn't belong next to a monument dedicated to confederate soldiers is absurd
You're right. This thread was not meant to be about the flag.... and I never said it shouldn't fly next to a confederate monument... It should! Just not the one it's currently flying next to. Not because SC should cleanse its history.. we shouldn't! We should educate the public about our history. It shouldn't be there because it's a figurative spat in the face, by the state government, to 30% of this state's population. Flying that flag there tells a large percentage of this state's population that they're not welcome there. Some of you may feel that way, but is that the message SC wants to put out to a world that's far more diverse than insular? I don't know, maybe it is.
We easily forget that the flag wasn't placed on statehouse grounds for historical/heritage purposes.. If it were, then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation... It was placed ATOP the statehouse as a direct response to the civil rights movement. The klan used it as a banner and supremacist rally behind it today. The moment supremacist got their hands on it, the massage behind the flag was instantly warped into something im sure many of you don't support.
It's really a matter of respect for your fellow South Carolinians. Think about something that really offends you to your core... would you want to see that something be elevated on public statehouse grounds?
The flag belongs somewhere because it's a part of history, and history should be taught in an attempt to avoid repeating the negative... But this isn't the solution. SC is better than this.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 2:00 am
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:10 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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To be frank, I could care less what happens beyond the flags removal. Flying it on public property shouldn't just offend African Americans but any American in general.. it's quite un-American.
Build a nice big confederate history museum and put it there. The confederacy doesn't have a Smithsonian yet.. Put it in Charieston.
So are we discussing what sport will be hosted or Dorchester Gamecock's stance on political matters? Sorry I'm a little lost.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 5:16 pm to Mootsman
Hey now.... I answered the sports question too! I have no problem voicing my opinion, even if it is unpopular.
And whoever thinks this has nothing to do with/doesn't effect sports in anyway is sadly mistaken...
And whoever thinks this has nothing to do with/doesn't effect sports in anyway is sadly mistaken...
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:31 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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I have no problem voicing my opinion, even if it is unpopular.
Obviously
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And whoever thinks this has nothing to do with/doesn't effect sports in anyway is sadly mistaken...
The part about the flag coming down does, which is the question I asked.
But everything else about the flag, including your interpretation of it definitely does not
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:30 pm to Cockopotamus
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But everything else about the flag, including your interpretation of it definitely does not
lol.. My interpretation of it. Ok dude, you're obviously upset. I get it.. I really do...
You want the flag to remain where it is because of its heritage.. the people that died for it.. Etc. etc.
Unfortunately, I wasn't around in the 19th century to get a first hand interpretation of what that flag really means (because it's not about race, right?)
The only interpretation I have of that flag is that it's a symbol of hate, because wherever I see hatred against African Americans or other minorities racial and religious.. Lo and behold, we see that flag. At klan rallies. Being waved by white nationalists. Tattooed on the arms of neo-nazis. It's ever present.
I respect your opinion and your defense of the flag.. but unfortunately, whatever valiant interpretation the flag once had is now long gone to the majority of Americans. For that, you shouldn't blame me or anybody else for interpreting it that way. Blame those who cause us to interpret it that way. Be mad at them for menacing something you value.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:31 pm to DorchesterGamecock
Look I get it offends you but its not objectively saying "I hate black people" and the backlash against the flag is treating it as if the kid saw it and immediately thought "I need to go shoot some black people"
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:53 pm to Cockopotamus
Are you African American? Because I am. That's exactly what it says to me. That's exactly what it says to most of us.... and I'm inclined to think it says the same to Dylann Roof. You should read his manifesto.. him saying he wants to kill some black people would've been a nice way of putting it..
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There are pictures of him waving the Confederate flag and burning the American flag. I shouldn't have to post them here because they are way too easy to find.
And honestly, I'm using my smartphone. So I can't, even if I wanted to.
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There are pictures of him waving the Confederate flag and burning the American flag. I shouldn't have to post them here because they are way too easy to find.
And honestly, I'm using my smartphone. So I can't, even if I wanted to.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:57 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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And honestly, I'm using my smartphone. So I can't, even if I wanted to.
been there too. It was easier for me to do it on the Samsung Galaxy III than the Galaxy V.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:11 pm to CockInYourEar
lol it's hard out here..
I've yet to figure out how to do it with the iPhone 6. I don't think it's possible haha
I've yet to figure out how to do it with the iPhone 6. I don't think it's possible haha
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:30 pm to DorchesterGamecock
I'm well aware of your position as you've high jacked my thread and question in the OP to make us well aware of your opinion.
I'm not gonna click the link because I don't like to give mass shooters the notoriety they crave when they commit these kinds of shootings.
If you can't understand that despite how you feel when you see the flag and the way others abuse the flag I feel differently about it then you shouldn't respond to this post.
I'm not gonna click the link because I don't like to give mass shooters the notoriety they crave when they commit these kinds of shootings.
If you can't understand that despite how you feel when you see the flag and the way others abuse the flag I feel differently about it then you shouldn't respond to this post.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 10:12 pm to Cockopotamus
Ugh. I really wanted my last post to be just that... My last post. But I feel obligated to respond because I don't want you to think I'm personally attacking you.
I've high jacked your thread because in this thread, and others, you come across as somebody who seems unaware of how that flag could possibly be misinterpreted. Almost as if black peoples are making up these feelings towards the flag. My attempts were to educate you as to how a black person can feel the way he/she feels about the flag.
To be clear. My goal wasn't to change or sway your opinion of the flag. The beauty of America is that you're free to think whatever you want about anything. My goal was to explain how something so divisive to our population has no place on statehouse grounds, especially when it's supposed to represent us all.
I should be clear, im not against shirts with confederate imagery, flags on private property or places of business because that's your private property and you're free to represent yourself however you see fit. Banning it would be absurd. Nobody is trying to do that.
Have a blessed evening..
I've high jacked your thread because in this thread, and others, you come across as somebody who seems unaware of how that flag could possibly be misinterpreted. Almost as if black peoples are making up these feelings towards the flag. My attempts were to educate you as to how a black person can feel the way he/she feels about the flag.
To be clear. My goal wasn't to change or sway your opinion of the flag. The beauty of America is that you're free to think whatever you want about anything. My goal was to explain how something so divisive to our population has no place on statehouse grounds, especially when it's supposed to represent us all.
I should be clear, im not against shirts with confederate imagery, flags on private property or places of business because that's your private property and you're free to represent yourself however you see fit. Banning it would be absurd. Nobody is trying to do that.
Have a blessed evening..
Posted on 6/23/15 at 10:23 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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If you can't understand that despite how you feel when you see the flag and the way others abuse the flag I feel differently about it then you shouldn't respond to this post.
So you either didn't read or ignored this part of my last post.
And with Walmart, Target, Amazon, Sears etc. removing their confederate flag merchandise you should probably rethink you're assumption that nobody is trying to ban the flag.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 10:49 pm to Cockopotamus
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If you can't understand that despite how you feel when you see the flag and the way others abuse the flag I feel differently about it then you shouldn't respond to this post.
I interpreted that as saying... If you can't understand the way I feel about the flag then you shouldn't respond... I've literally been saying the exact opposite during my entire diatribe. If you can't tell.. the truth is.. I understand why you feel the way you feel about the flag. I don't have to agree with you to be empathetic to your beliefs. I am empathetic to your beliefs and I was the entire time.
As far as Walmart, Amazon, eBay etc... those are businesses choosing how to represent themselves. Which will happen. There are business that are choosing to still sell it. Good for them. Some States will make tough decisions, again, choosing how they want to be represented.
By ban the flag, I meant banning it in the same fashion that Germany banned the swastika. That won't happen. I don't agree with that. Violation of free speech.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:18 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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lol it's hard out here..
The struggle is real.
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