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re: Chad Morris to Baylor?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:35 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:35 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Let him get some P5 training
about this....
Big jobs like UF, ND, tu, UT, Washington, VT, Auburn and A&M are currently filled by guys who jumped from G5. The other options seem to be recycled big names (Bama, OSU, UM, Miami) or top level coordinators (OU, USC, UGA, FSU, MSU, Oregon, Stanford, Clemson) mostly with ties to the school that hired them.
The only top level jobs I can think of that are currently filled by a coach that jumped from a P5 is PSU and the weird Nebraska situation. Obviously Miles fit in that category too but it seems a fairly rare thing actually and suggests "P5 training" in entirely unnecessary.
And particularly for a guy like Morris, who has already been a top level coordinator and a G5 coach (the two most common types of hires), I think it does little to nothing to enhance his resume.
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:58 pm to tmc94
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And particularly for a guy like Morris, who has already been a top level coordinator and a G5 coach (the two most common types of hires), I think it does little to nothing to enhance his resume.
Agreed, but I see Baylor as an insurance policy. Sure, the SMU job is a hard job and achieving 6 wins requires a miracle the size of the virgin Mary. But I till want to know if he's the real deal. Let him show us this at Baylor instead of us taking the risk.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:39 pm to tmc94
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Big jobs like UF, ND, tu, UT, Washington, VT, Auburn and A&M are currently filled by guys who jumped from G5
Let's look a little deeper at this.
UF - McElwain was the Colorado State head coach, but before that was Nick Saban's OC at Alabama
ND - Brian Kelly's previous head coaching job was at Cincinnati. At the time he left, the Big East was still a BCS Conference. Also, ND is his THIRD head coaching job, after Central Michigan and Cincinnati.
t.u. - At the time Charlie Strong left Louisville, the Big East/AAC was still a BCS Conference and now Louisville is ACC. Strong was the defensive coordinator at UF prior to Louisville.
Tennessee - Butch Jones followed Brian Kelly everywhere except for post-Cincinati, just as Brian Kelly followed Mark Dantonio.
Chris Petersen - This one fits your statement.
Virginia Tech - Also fits your statement.
Auburn - Really? Gus Malzahn was the architect of the Wildcat formation and offense coordinator at both Arkansas and Auburn's national title team. He was always the heir apparent to Chizik.
Texas A&M - Kevin Sumlin fits your statement
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:40 pm to Howdyagssec
I look at Morris now much like Sumlin '10. Look at this staff at the bottom of this link.
SMU
Half of them were GAs at Clemson a couple of years ago. Morris seems like hitting the reset button. Wish we'd take a look at Narduzzi if/when the time comes.
SMU
Half of them were GAs at Clemson a couple of years ago. Morris seems like hitting the reset button. Wish we'd take a look at Narduzzi if/when the time comes.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:05 pm to KSCC
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Half of them were GAs at Clemson a couple of years ago
A lot of that probably has to do with how much money SMU is willing to spend on Assistant Coaches. GAs who become first year assistant coaches are usually the cheaper options in the coaching world, right after failed coaches.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Being a G5 coach does not preclude one from having had a top coordinator job previously. It's actually exactly Morris's resume so I'm fairly confused as to why you think it is a meaningful point
Hires are made from several groups (including both of those). I listed them. If you want to parse each guy's previous resume or pretend anyone believed the Big East was a power conference, have at it I guess
Hires are made from several groups (including both of those). I listed them. If you want to parse each guy's previous resume or pretend anyone believed the Big East was a power conference, have at it I guess
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:17 pm to tmc94
That would be awesome for Morris! He would have 2 years to get ready for the big time, should we relieve Sumlin.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:25 pm to Texas Weazel
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A lot of that probably has to do with how much money SMU is willing to spend on Assistant Coaches. GAs who become first year assistant coaches are usually the cheaper options in the coaching world, right after failed coaches.
Agree. If/when A&M hires Morris, he should have a much deeper candidate pool. Only limitations would be:
1. Which coaches are willing to work for him. A year or 2 at Baylor (on top of 2 yrs at SMU hopefully give him sufficient networking and assistants enough confidence)
2. How much any buyouts we owe limits our assistant pool money
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:29 pm to NanosTacoRun
Put me down for liking him to Baylor too. Let them take the risk and see if he's a good coach, and if he is, bring him home to CS if (when IMO) Sumlin doesn't work out.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:34 pm to Texas Gentleman
How has he not already proven he is a good coach? He has SMU one win away from a bowl w/a freshman QB. Do yall really not know how much damage June Jones did to their roster on the way out?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:51 pm to Dr RC
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How has he not already proven he is a good coach? He has SMU one win away from a bowl w/a freshman QB. Do yall really not know how much damage June Jones did to their roster on the way out?
He's done a great job rebuilding SMU. But that's still different from competing at the highest division against high quality staffs every week. And dealing with media scrutiny/big money boosters all year. And recruiting against P5 programs for the best recruits.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:57 pm to Texas Gentleman
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Put me down for liking him to Baylor too. Let them take the risk and see if he's a good coach
The problem I see is they are so fricked right now on recruiting and talent that even Nick Saban might struggle there the next couple seasons.
I don't really think he will benefit much reputation wise by taking that position.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:10 pm to Dr RC
Pretty much what Taco said. And it never hurts to have more data points, while Strong wasn't texas's first choice he did look pretty decent on a paper. We are seeing how that turned out now.
One good coaching job at a smaller school doesn't make him a god. It is impressive what he's done at SMU, just want to see if it's a flash in the pan or not. Remember when we all thought Sumlin was the best coach ever after 2012 too?
One good coaching job at a smaller school doesn't make him a god. It is impressive what he's done at SMU, just want to see if it's a flash in the pan or not. Remember when we all thought Sumlin was the best coach ever after 2012 too?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:12 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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The problem I see is they are so fricked right now on recruiting and talent that even Nick Saban might struggle there the next couple seasons.
They likely don't have the talent to win the B12, but Briles left a lot of talent on campus.
It will get ugly in 2018/2019 if they don't turn around 2017 recruiting
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