Ranking the Saban Disciple Assembly Line...

Kirby is the prize apple on the tree though.

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Can't put Kirby on the list yet, but first year wise, he's more on the Derek Dooley and Muschamp side of things.

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It took Dantonio awhile to get the John L Smith flakiness culture out of Michigan State. He got the job in 2007 and they didn't have a big time season until 2010. That was a talented but softer than baby shite program when he got there.

Isn't Dabos strength being able to recruit really well? Who does that make me think of. Hmmmm. Guess Clemson is just really lucky.

You're missing the point. They paid him to learn on the job and it took that dumbass 3 yrs to become relevant. He sure is lucky.

He even lost to us in 2014. What a clown.

Didn't mean to hijack but thought this was a good spot to post about a coordinator that struggled but then grew into the role. Also...his first year and first full year as HC are two different years.

Point being that he still had 5 losses that year and did worse the following...so new coaches need time to develop into the role. He's doing better now than a lot of guys brought in with experience.

I'm not a huge fan of Kirby...but don't think it's fair to pile on the poor bastard in his first year. Richt had 15 yrs so at that point he's fair game. I might dog Right for fun but was of the mindset that he should've gotten a little more slack with Eason coming in and to deal with the Pruitt and Schottenheimer mess.

But he didn't....time to move on and be patient. That's my take.

You were always pretty vocal about how people starting the fire Richt threads at halftime were full of shite and cowards. I agreed for the most part...although I was prone to getting pissed from time to time.

Now you're throwing our first year alum HC under the bus before the seasons even out. So I'll ask you...what gives?

I'm not throwing anyone under the bus, and I don't give up at halftime or quit on them at the first sign of adversity like the mental patients do in the game threads here. Hell, I can't even watch Georgia games with half of my family because they're like that. It's pathetic.

But, we've lost four of our last five games and have looked worse each game for the most part. We might not make a bowl game this year. And I haven't seen anything tangible from all of Kirby's efforts that is actually working to prevent any of that. It's the pretty much the same story each game or worse. And that's just reality right now.