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re: Group of frontrunners emerging in Tennessee search, interviews to begin soon
Posted on 4/18/14 at 7:42 am to volfan30
Posted on 4/18/14 at 7:42 am to volfan30
Miles is a really good coach. Been following him since SD State when they went into kohl and beat wisconsin. Rebuilt colorado state and got freaking nebraska into the tournament.
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:27 am to ohiovol
If Marshall would come, you pay the man. If no, go home. With all the talk about UT being a BB school, getting the best coach on the market should be a no brainer.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:31 am to volfan30
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Mike White
Would be a fantastic hire
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:09 am to TRUERockyTop
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Or in the 1.7/8+ range to begin with and then talks of raises/extensions based on performance going forward.
This is eminently reasonable, of course, experts on tRant to contrary notwithstanding.
There's a few names in the pile that would cost $2M+. Most wouldn't. You don't hire an "unproven" (very young or mid-major) coach at $2M+. You do let them know their salary will go up with success and they will be paid very well in the meantime.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:07 am to the808bass
When you let a coach go who took you the sweet 16, you have have to pay premium. It's not like CM had been underachieving for 10 years. To get a quality coach to work for that ath department, which has been terrible over the last 10 years, they will pay.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:08 am to volfan30
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interviews to begin soon
This is an indicator Tennessee is going for an up and comer.
Established HCs do not interview, they have a presser naming them as HC after all the details are worked out in private...
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:38 pm to DaleDenton
As of today (Friday):
Word is Gregg Marshall would listen to Tennessee if Hart were willing to upwards of 2 mil. Guy must really dig UT. Fortunately for any SEC teams worried we might get too serious about this, the word is also that Hart won't go much higher than 2 mil which eliminates Marshall and Boyle (various sources also say Tad Boyle could also be brought to the negotiating table and would consider UT if Hart were willing to pay). Apparently we're appealing (the good news) but coaches (rightfully) aren't gonna take a pay cut or salary below their resume (the bad news).****
The names that fit with $$ rumor and are on the rumored target list:
Chris Mack
Mick Cronin
Michael White
Donnie Tyndall
Richard Pitino
Archie Miller
Rick Byrd (Tennessee alum - Belmont coach) and Will Wade (UT-Chattanooga) are two local coaches that are also on the list. They're good coaches but probably at the bottom of the list for the AD due to all the criteria.
****That said, even though VQ has reported the ~2 mil figure I'm not sure they're necessarily correct. While UT has traditionally shopped for up and comers when it comes to basketball, Dave Hart is handling the search by himself and has only made one major hire. He went after some pretty big names in the football search and after having gotten burnt with Gundy playing him against his own AD for a raise, he's not giving jack away on this search. Dave Hart has never given much to the media but he's been more tight-lipped than normal these past few months and has cleaned out athletic dept. to the point where the media doesn't have much in the way of inside sources -- not like they used to have anyway. I think they're basing their opinion wholly on the past rather than on any real info. about what Hart is willing to spend -- no one will care or remember if Hart shows up to a big name coach's house with a brink's truck and if they're right about the money limit they'll get cred. It's a pretty safe call for VQ and other sports media that follows Tennessee closely.
Word is Gregg Marshall would listen to Tennessee if Hart were willing to upwards of 2 mil. Guy must really dig UT. Fortunately for any SEC teams worried we might get too serious about this, the word is also that Hart won't go much higher than 2 mil which eliminates Marshall and Boyle (various sources also say Tad Boyle could also be brought to the negotiating table and would consider UT if Hart were willing to pay). Apparently we're appealing (the good news) but coaches (rightfully) aren't gonna take a pay cut or salary below their resume (the bad news).****
The names that fit with $$ rumor and are on the rumored target list:
Chris Mack
Mick Cronin
Michael White
Donnie Tyndall
Richard Pitino
Archie Miller
Rick Byrd (Tennessee alum - Belmont coach) and Will Wade (UT-Chattanooga) are two local coaches that are also on the list. They're good coaches but probably at the bottom of the list for the AD due to all the criteria.
****That said, even though VQ has reported the ~2 mil figure I'm not sure they're necessarily correct. While UT has traditionally shopped for up and comers when it comes to basketball, Dave Hart is handling the search by himself and has only made one major hire. He went after some pretty big names in the football search and after having gotten burnt with Gundy playing him against his own AD for a raise, he's not giving jack away on this search. Dave Hart has never given much to the media but he's been more tight-lipped than normal these past few months and has cleaned out athletic dept. to the point where the media doesn't have much in the way of inside sources -- not like they used to have anyway. I think they're basing their opinion wholly on the past rather than on any real info. about what Hart is willing to spend -- no one will care or remember if Hart shows up to a big name coach's house with a brink's truck and if they're right about the money limit they'll get cred. It's a pretty safe call for VQ and other sports media that follows Tennessee closely.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:40 pm to Prof
Let's get White! 
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:01 pm to volforever
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Let's get White!
What is it that you like about him above the other candidates? I know he's won some coaching awards and is a well thought of coach but I don't really know much about him so I'm curious.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:08 pm to Prof
Great record in two years as a coach, fast paced style of play, plus Brent Dougherty from 104.5 in Nashville is endorsing him, that is enough for me 
But I could be wrong.
But I could be wrong.Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:16 pm to volforever
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Great record in two years as a coach, fast paced style of play, plus Brent Dougherty from 104.5 in Nashville is endorsing him, that is enough for me But I could be wrong.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I like hearing what people like (or don't like) about any given coach and think it's informative. And no worries I won't hold your feet to the fire if he's hired and flames out (too many variables for even guys like Shaka and Marshall to be 'can't miss' at a new school).
I have to admit - being from La Tech worries me a bit. But it's not his fault that the last guy UT hired from there was the coaching equivalent of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:42 pm to volfan30
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-By Thursday Tennessee had reached out to Tad Boyle, Richard Pitino, Mike White, Tim Miles, Archie Miller, Chris Mack and Donnie Tyndall. Doesn't seem any other coaches have been contacted and it seems extremely likely Tennessee's next coach will come from that pool.
You missed one.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:43 pm to Prof
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(too many variables for even guys like Shaka and Marshall to be 'can't miss' at a new school)
Why would anyone think Shaka is 'can't miss'? The vast majority of his tenure indicates he's not as good as Anthony Grant.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:50 pm to scrooster
Salvador Dali is 
Were we to resurrect his awesomeness and convince him to ply his trade in Knoxville, nothing could stop us. A man so cocksure and convinced of his own greatness that he makes the worst trolls on the rant look like wilting violets and managed to look awesome doing it would OWN the SEC. I say fire up the time machine, Frankenstein's lab, and/or cryo chamber and bring him forth. Dominance awaits.
Were we to resurrect his awesomeness and convince him to ply his trade in Knoxville, nothing could stop us. A man so cocksure and convinced of his own greatness that he makes the worst trolls on the rant look like wilting violets and managed to look awesome doing it would OWN the SEC. I say fire up the time machine, Frankenstein's lab, and/or cryo chamber and bring him forth. Dominance awaits.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:54 pm to ohiovol
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Why would anyone think Shaka is 'can't miss'? The vast majority of his tenure indicates he's not as good as Anthony Grant.
My point was that even Shaka and Marshall as 'big name' as they are right now aren't can't miss and that no coach is really 'can't miss' particularly when they move to a new school as every school has a different set of advantages/disadvantages and variables.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:55 pm to Prof
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Salvador Dali is
Were we to resurrect his awesomeness and convince him to ply his trade in Knoxville, nothing could stop us. A man so cocksure and convinced of his own greatness that he makes the worst trolls on the rant look like wilting violets and managed to look awesome doing it would OWN the SEC. I say fire up the time machine, Frankenstein's lab, and/or cryo chamber and bring him forth. Dominance awaits.
Exactly.
And my point is that UT needs another showman. Someone who can fire-up the fanbase ala Pearl. Get people excited up there and get the players playing like they are excited to play.
Tennessee men's basketball is a lot like SCAR in that regard. Matter of fact, both of our heydays were in the early 70s and we've been struggling off and on since.
Of all those candidates above, which one is the one that puts on the best show and can coach?
That's the one UT should focus-on IMHO.
ETA: Marshall is probably going to be the one ... but y'all will not like him. If he wasn't such a prima donna prick we would have hired him either of the two times he begged us for the job.
Shaka, ... good question.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:19 pm to scrooster
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Exactly.
And my point is that UT needs another showman. Someone who can fire-up the fanbase ala Pearl. Get people excited up there and get the players playing like they are excited to play.
Tennessee men's basketball is a lot like SCAR in that regard. Matter of fact, both of our heydays were in the early 70s and we've been struggling off and on since.
Of all those candidates above, which one is the one that puts on the best show and can coach?
That's the one UT should focus-on IMHO.
ETA: Marshall is probably going to be the one ... but y'all will not like him. If he wasn't such a prima donna prick we would have hired him either of the two times he begged us for the job.
Shaka, ... good question.
Volquest had an article up about the history of showmanship at UT and how UT fans really respond to it more than a lot of other schools. Although I'd say our best years were actually the Pearl years (and even a few before then) the ones we remember so fondly were the Mears' years. We're an area that demands it even in our politicians - hells bells Cas Walker was a legend because of it and all he did was sell shite (launching musicians like Dolly Parton was secondary to promoting shopping at his stores
). When he was a politician he staged a 'fight' on commission. National media ran with a photo of a punch being thrown. Here's a sample of Cas Walker (telling thieves they're gonna whoop the hell out of them and tell the cops the thieves started it - well worth the watch): LINK
As for basketball showmanship:
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As Vice Chancellor and Director of Athletics Dave Hart begins his nationwide search for a basketball coach, the long time athletic administration should take note from the past and not his past when it comes to what's important in hiring a hoops coach.
As Hart looks for a new coach, one with head coaching experience makes sense, one who can recruit is a must, a good staff is an obvious requirement. But what Hart really needs is a showstopper.
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But Green and Martin combined for 152 wins, 77 losses, 5 NCAA tournament bids, and 20 win seasons in 6 out of 7 years. Yet, Green was run out of town and the line from most fans would be longer to pack up Martin's moving van than it would be to get to shake his hand. Why would two coaches with a combined winning percentage of 66% be footnotes at best in the annuals of Tennessee basketball. They couldn't sell it or didn't want to sell it.
The two most popular coaches in Tennessee basketball history are Ray Mears and Bruce Pearl, who combined to win 71% of their games. Mears never won an NCAA Tournament game, but he was successful thanks in large part to great players like Bernard King and Ernie Grunfeld. However, "The Ernie and Bernie show" was not what made Mears so beloved. It was showmanship. It was striped pants, running through the "T," unicycles and more. Mears made the game an event. He was a marketing guru before any school offered a marketing major. Decades later, Pearl followed in the same mold.
Tuesday, Hart said that Tennessee had a great history and a great tradition of basketball to go with a great venue. That is true. But the great tradition of Vol hoops is it's zaniness if you will. The tradition is the show. The reason Green and Martin were never really accepted is they didn't put on a show. Green often times never got out of his chair on the bench. He told the fans to go to K-Mart. Not only did Martin never get a technical. He never protested, stopped his foot, or take off his jacket. He did the bare miminum when it came to fan interaction.
Unicycles and fancy warm-up drills are not resume requirements, neither is chest painting and singing Rocky Top at a bar on the road before pre-game.
But the requirement for Tennessee basketball remains, to be a successful basketball coach at Tennessee it's not just about winning, you must have personality and must give the program a brand. It can't be done through a slogan or a marketing campaign. The head coach must create an identity, a brand that breaths and lives. It's something a fan has to feel not only when he or she walks into the arena, but also when they visit with the coach at a caravan stop or a radio show. The competition for everyone's time is at an all-time demand. Options have never been more plentiful. So the battle for fans is more difficult than it's ever been. Of Tennessee's 19 home games this past season, all 19 were on television.
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If you don't, 9pm tip-offs become much later in the eyes of fans. Saturday afternoons in January become much colder. The excuses become more plentiful. The challenge facing Dave Hart now is to hire someone that the fan base has reason to fall in love with. There's no doubt that the hire has to win and get the the tournament, but history says there's also no doubt that this hire must capture the hearts of the fans, to do that it takes more than wins.
A lot of people didn't understand that Bruce Pearl was being straight when he said he wore the orange jacket to honor Ray Mears. Those two were twins in terms of showmanship and really just loving and feeding off of the love UT fans gave them in return.
LINK
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:25 pm to ohiovol
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Why would anyone think Shaka is 'can't miss'? The vast majority of his tenure indicates he's not as good as Anthony Grant.
You can't be serious. You forget that whole Final Four thing.
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