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re: Harsin’s scheme simply doesn’t fit with Auburn’s personnel
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:36 pm to captainFid
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:36 pm to captainFid
The wishbone/spread/air raid/rpo were all called gimmicks until teams started dominanting with them, and then everyone ran them. Boise State using 2*s beat Oklahoma's 4/5*s using "whirlybird" plays. Saban has maintained his dominance by adapting to the modern game, not staying stuck in his ways. The 2011 game was due to Alabama's kicker having a shitty night, while LSU's succeeded.
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Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:38 pm to Tuscaloosa
I can't wait to see how Tank does in the new offense. I think it is better suited for him than whatever Gus and Chad Morris were doing last season.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this season and think 7-5 with an Outback Bowl tier bowl is realistic. Considering the personnel were not recruited for Harsin's system will obviously hinder the team, but if the talented players actually develop under this staff then we should do ok.
I know he is an easy target to pick on, but Bo Nix has not progressed at all from his first game in Dallas vs. Oregon through last year's bowl game vs. Northwestern. The OL hasn't demonstrated improvement in years. Kerryon Johnson is one of the few players recruited by Gus that I can say actually improved during his time on the Plains, and Gus ran his arse into the ground in 2017.
The fact that guys like Kerryon Johnson are the exception to the rule re: Gus's lack of player development shows why he had to go (along with his atrocious record against UAT, UGA, and LSU away from JHS).
Harsin will need time, but Lord knows we are an impatient bunch when 2 of our 3 biggest rivals are regularly in the CFP discussion and another has won a CFP title.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this season and think 7-5 with an Outback Bowl tier bowl is realistic. Considering the personnel were not recruited for Harsin's system will obviously hinder the team, but if the talented players actually develop under this staff then we should do ok.
I know he is an easy target to pick on, but Bo Nix has not progressed at all from his first game in Dallas vs. Oregon through last year's bowl game vs. Northwestern. The OL hasn't demonstrated improvement in years. Kerryon Johnson is one of the few players recruited by Gus that I can say actually improved during his time on the Plains, and Gus ran his arse into the ground in 2017.
The fact that guys like Kerryon Johnson are the exception to the rule re: Gus's lack of player development shows why he had to go (along with his atrocious record against UAT, UGA, and LSU away from JHS).
Harsin will need time, but Lord knows we are an impatient bunch when 2 of our 3 biggest rivals are regularly in the CFP discussion and another has won a CFP title.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:39 pm to Tuscaloosa
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whirly bird
Well, that's one thing Harsin is retaining from the Malzahn era.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:42 pm to macjonesgoat
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4 man shifts from quad receivers aren't common at all. It changed from a likely screen/pick to a power running play. If it is just a shift, then why is it a whirlybird?
Yeah, you’re missing the point. I didn’t post it because they shifted. I posted it because they spun 270 degrees in the wrong direction (on purpose) for absolutely no reason at all, thus the “whirly bird” reference - from Auburn’s spinning fullback pass glory days.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:42 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:Good point, except that you can hardly call what Gustav has been running the past few seasons a 'zone spread' offense. And to the extent it still had elements of that scheme, he had recruited guys that didn't fit (like the half dozen or so TEs on the roster he hardly every used).
Hiring a coach to implement a mostly west coast, “down hill” offense with a roster full of people who were recruited for and built for a zone spread scheme is a recipe for disaster.
That said, there's some truth to your critique, which is why I expect us to struggle this year, as we did in '81 when Dye installed the wishbone to replace Barfield's power I/veer, or in '99 when Tubs tried to go to implement a power running game with Bowden's leftover RBs.
As for "Auburn fans' willingness to lay down and take it", what do you suggest we do instead?
Perhaps we should have set Harsin up with an ugly stripper and a University-issued credit card, but he's neither as stupid nor as morally compromised as the last HC hire your fanbase disapproved of.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:45 pm to Tuscaloosa
He’ll be run out of town in two years and they’ll try to get Lane Kiffin
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:47 pm to captainFid
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The Mad Hatter and Gus loved them some misdirection. Once discovered however, it seemed to work against AU and LSU.
What Les Miles games were you watching? He ran a few trick plays a season and they generally worked his entire career. The rest of his offense was the complete opposite of misdirection.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:47 pm to Tuscaloosa
You know even in the one clip you provided, that was a simple overload HB blast play. Everybody has a variation of it. I’m not even an auburn fan but when I see people who have most likely never touched a football field give obviously biased takes it makes them look really stupid. Do your actual homework.
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Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:48 pm to Tuscaloosa
The spin was to add to the confusion and make sure no one crossed the line. Confusion is a major aspect of every football strategy. is every play-action play and the triple-option a gimmick? That is also why Dabo had so much success after figuring out to read teams' signals, and why Ohio State destroyed them when they switched to a huddle style. If Saban was as close-minded as you our last title would have been in 2012, while every ESPN talking head wod
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:48 pm to inevitable65
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You know even in the one clip you provided, that was a simple overload HB blast play. Everybody has a variation of it. I’m not even an auburn fan but when I see people who have most likely never touched a football field give obviously biased takes it makes then look really stupid. Do your actual homework.
Someone help this guy out.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:50 pm to macjonesgoat
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The spin was to add to the confusion
Add to the confusion… because I’m sure the defense thought the guys lined up wide were just going to trot off to the sideline?
What kind of confusion does turning to the near boundary you’re ~2 yards away from cause?
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or being serious at this point.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:50 pm to macjonesgoat
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The 2011 game was due to Alabama's kicker having a shitty night, while LSU's succeeded.
sort of. LSU's kicker made 3 chipshot FGs (19,30, and 25). Alabama's missed long field goals (50, 49, 52), while he still made a 46 yard and 34 yard FG. The difference in that game really was Eric Reid's INT. The rest of the game was just battling field position with one another.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:51 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I’m not sure Auburn gives him enough time, and I’m not sure he can recruit well enough if they do.
I saw an interesting perspective on Harsin's recruiting from a guy on Reddit who I am pretty sure works for one of the recruiting websites. He's an Alabama fan too, so it's definitely not sunshine pumping. The gist of it was that Harsin wants to run a program similar to what Dave Clawson has at Wake Forest or Pat Fitzgerald has at Northwestern, and his recruiting has gone pretty well so far based on what kind of player he wants to sign. He doesn't want kids with big egos or an eye on the NFL from the day they step on campus. Just kids who really want to be there and plan to stay and work hard for 4 years.
Personally I just don't see that working out in the SEC though.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:53 pm to Robot Santa
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I saw an interesting perspective on Harsin's recruiting from a guy on Reddit who I am pretty sure works for one of the recruiting websites. He's an Alabama fan too, so it's definitely not sunshine pumping. The gist of it was that Harsin wants to run a program similar to what Dave Clawson has at Wake Forest or Pat Fitzgerald has at Northwestern, and his recruiting has gone pretty well so far based on what kind of player he wants to sign. He doesn't want kids with big egos or an eye on the NFL from the day they step on campus. Just kids who really want to be there and plan to stay and work hard for 4 years.
Personally I just don't see that working out in the SEC though.
I think that’s a great strategy if your goal as a program is to have a winning season and occasionally be ranked. It’s a pretty crummy one if the guy before you got ran off for only winning his division twice.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:54 pm to texag7
quote:The last coach we took from Ole Miss beat Alabama's arse 6 straight years and is now a Senator.
He’ll be run out of town in two years and they’ll try to get Lane Kiffin
Lane can take soon to be Senator Mo Brooks' seat in the upper house in 2038.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:56 pm to Robot Santa
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He doesn't want kids with big egos or an eye on the NFL from the day they step on campus. Just kids who really want to be there and plan to stay and work hard for 4 years
I agree with you. That recruiting philosophy is very sincere and sounds good to the normal football fan, but that doesn't cut it at Auburn. They're used to having top 10/15 recruiting classes on an annual basis. Plus, you have to have top-tier talent to compete against Alabama and Georgia. If Auburn is getting out-talented every season, Harsin won't last long.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:57 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:The guy before got ran off for having the worst road record against our three biggest rivals in school history.
I think that’s a great strategy if your goal as a program is to have a winning season and occasionally be ranked. It’s a pretty crummy one if the guy before you got ran off for only winning his division twice.
Win just one of those 12 games and he's probably still our HC.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:58 pm to lsufball19
Yeah that turnover definitely changed the momentum and the entire game. LSU's elite special teams were part of the reason for the shorter field goals though. The honey badger killed it on punts and kickoffs and so did the rest of y'alls team.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:59 pm to FearlessFreep
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The guy before got ran off for having the worst road record against our three biggest rivals in school history.
Is that going to change if Harsin’s recruiting strategy is similar to what was posted above?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:01 pm to Tuscaloosa
Based on your fricking expertise. LOL
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