re: Coach got the Rona

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This is straight from the CDC, points 1 and 3 are clearly false.

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You can't say point 1 and 3 definitely false.

I thought breakthrough infections meant vaccinated folks who had symptoms?

I always thought the medical folks said you would carry the virus if vaccinated and spread. It was just dependent on the severity of symptoms, if any.

Or am I completely wrong?

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You're taking small bits of data

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This isn't anecdotal or related to a small area.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when like 60-70% of adults are vaccinated and numbers are as high as they have ever been it's not preventing getting the disease or transmission.

Yes, it has by pretty much everyone pushing it including the CDC as I just posted.

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has this vaccine EVER been represented to prevent the spread? or are you just ignorant and made presumptions because you don't know what vaccines really are?

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Uhhmmm, yes, it absolutely HAS.

One of the biggest "shame tactics" during this entire shite-show was the mass messaging of: get the vaccine so that you can do your part in protecting others. "Don't be selfish, getting vaccinated means that you're protecting those who are at higher risk even if you are low risk yourself". That has been the literal messaging to those that aren't old, aren't sickly, and otherwise don't have any real reason to vaccinate.

Now we're finding out that being vaccinated doesn't in any way, shape, or form prevent you from spreading the virus to others. In fact, I'd argue that it actually PROMOTES it's spread. How? Because before vaccination, those with symptoms would stay at home and naturally quarantine. Those that are vaccinated may in fact be infected and infectious, and not even have any of the "obvious" symptoms. So they carry on with their lives and go shopping, go to work, socialize, etc. and spread the virus to others. This is likely why all of these countries are showing huge spikes in infections.

So now that we know that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching the virus, and it doesn't prevent you from passing it on to someone else, this has now circled back to: all it does is offer some degree of PERSONAL protection. But if it's only real function is personal protection, then this MUST be a personal choice by default. Which therefore means that any mandates which suggest that ALL OF SOCIETY must make this choice or face restrictions or consequences are by definition totalitarian and a breach of individual rights.

You can get into whatever semantics you want, but it was 100% presented, and some are still trying to beat the drum, that it would significantly reduce the spread. It has not.

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LSU stadium mandating proof of vaccination or recent PCR test for entry.

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*heads to the tiger rant for the melt*

CDC: Unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

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COVID-19 vaccines are effective

COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.

Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.


This is straight from the CDC, points 1 and 3 are clearly false. The middle is clearly true. So, there is some benefit to the vaccine but it's definitely not working exactly as intended.

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One of the big issues with this is people literally can't or won't see basic reality. 1 and 3 both are accurate. If someone read that and believed nobody would get COVID or spread COVID that was vaccinated then explain why the original study showed 94% efficacy against transmission. Then find out how many Americans are fully vaccinated and run the numbers on 6% of those people and you'll realize a ton of vaccinated people will get COVID. However, they are 29 times less likely to be hospitalized. Currently based on the original trial data around 11 million vaccinated people should get COVID. We have since learned the vaccine has a shelf life in our systems and Deltas replication approach makes it more difficult for the vaccine to react to the virus. Meaning that 94% is clearly much lower so the 11 million is not accurate. However, it does support the CDC statement above. #CAN #MAY

COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

Watching the decision LSU just made...watching schools having so much difficulty keeping children in class...watching ICU's have unsafe, substandard care because of the overwhelming number of COVID cases should make us all at least pause to consider how little is being asked of us.