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re: With the 2 new schools, whats the academic order in the SEC
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:37 am to charliethehun
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:37 am to charliethehun
1. Vanderbilt
2. Texas, Florida, Georgia, aTm
3. Auburn, SCAR, Tennessee, Mizzou, Alabama
4. The rest
2. Texas, Florida, Georgia, aTm
3. Auburn, SCAR, Tennessee, Mizzou, Alabama
4. The rest
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Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:25 am to charliethehun
Actually I believe it’s
Not Interested followed by
Nobody Cares
Not Interested followed by
Nobody Cares
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:38 am to starkvingrad
1. Vandy
2. UF, Texas
3. Doesn’t matter
2. UF, Texas
3. Doesn’t matter
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:54 am to VolsUberAlles
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Rest assured, no one north of the Mason-Dixon/west of the Mississippi is gleefully hiring a Tennessee or Alabama graduate but tossing an otherwise-identical resume from Kentucky or Auburn.
I somewhat disagree with your statement; it depends on the field of study. Alabama's Culverhouse School of Business and Law School can go toe to toe with anyone. If I need a veterinarian, Auburn, MSU, and A&M produce some of the best in the country. Georgia and MSU have two of the best turfgrass programs in the country. I'm sure each school has other programs that they can boast of. We all have them.
I don't mind it when we poke fun at each other about academics as long as it's in good fun, but I'll be damned if I'll let some snot nosed Big 10 or ACC or Pac12 grad act like they are intellectually superior to the schools in the SEC. We all have our strengths and not-so-strong areas, but overall, I think the schools that make up the conference do a pretty good job turning out some world class leaders in areas other than athletics, being large, state institutions (except Vandy). I wonder how many Fortune 500 companies are ran by SEC grads? Auburn can claim Tim Cook of Apple, and Alabama claimed Marillyn Hewson of Lockheed Martin until she stepped down in March. A&M, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and Kentucky all have Fortune 500 CEO's among their alumni. I'm sure some of the other schools do too.
We may all talk a little slow, but that doesn't mean we are slow.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 11:03 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:52 pm to phil4bama
Agree with your post. Essentially what I said in an earlier post of mine.
Different schools excel at different things.
Different schools excel at different things.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:00 pm to charliethehun
I don’t know how strict the other schools’ admissions are, but at OU, it’s pretty tough. One of my best buds didn’t get in after coloring just a tiny bit outside of the lines.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:27 pm to AustinAggie
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I’ll take it Realistically - 1 TX 2 Vandy 3 UF & A&M 4 UGA & Mizzou 5 UT, UK, LSU, OM, OU, Bama 6 Ark, MSST, Auburn But even at the bottom those universities can have really good individual colleges and departments / niches. It’s hard to be an all around great university in every subject
This is the most accurate take based on my 20 years of being an academic. Let me say this though. There is a disconnect between academia and practitioners. I talk to practitioners in the field and mine them for real life stories that I take back to the classroom. It is the gold my students need. Practitioners don’t read academic journals. Those journals are the primary metric by which faculty and universities are valued in the academic world. There’s so much more to teach students about their journey into their respective fields than anything in a text book. I make it a point to teach these things also. In the end it is all about the student learning grit, how to finish when you are exhausted, how to find the info you need in your business and social network quickly, how to learn anything and not be intimidated by a learning challenge, how to consider others opinions and diversity of thought, how to take constructive criticism and ultimately how to make the sale. Nothing happens until you make the sale.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 4:24 pm to charliethehun
Who cares???????
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:56 pm to phil4bama
Doesn’t matter. Most rankings are simply based on research output and endowment $. It has nothing to do with undergraduate education.
LSU has a Nobel prize winner on its faculty (Physics). I don’t care about Harvard &co , just imagine going to school with Olympic gold medal winners, Heisman candidates, and Nobel prize winners, only some SEC schools and a number of PAC12 schools can offer this. I know some people who now “regret” graduating from national liberal arts schools and even Ivy League universities because of their dull alumni lives…
LSU has a Nobel prize winner on its faculty (Physics). I don’t care about Harvard &co , just imagine going to school with Olympic gold medal winners, Heisman candidates, and Nobel prize winners, only some SEC schools and a number of PAC12 schools can offer this. I know some people who now “regret” graduating from national liberal arts schools and even Ivy League universities because of their dull alumni lives…
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:10 pm to Yokelhoma
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:20 pm to SEC. 593
UGA admissions stats for incoming Class of 2025:
Avg GPA: 4.0
Avg ACT: 32 (out of 36)
Avg SAT: 1400 (out of 1600)
To suggest that A&M or Mizzou, each of which accepts the vast majority of applicants, is even comparable to UGA is objectively incorrect and not supported by the data.
Mizzou has an average ACT of 26 and accepts 80% of its applicants. The average Mizzou student would have viewed UGA as a “far reach” school, comparable to UNC or UVA in regard to admissions competition.
SEC Academic Rankings:
1. Vanderbilt
2. UGA, UF, UT-Austin (tie)
3. A&M (accepts 75% of applicants), U. South Carolina (tie)
4. The rest.
Outside of Vanderbilt, “ranking” is not outcome determinative. Ceteris peribus, an LSU or Ole Miss grad with a 4.0 will beat out a UGA or UF grad with a 3.3.
UGA stats Source:
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Mizzou stats Source: LINK
Avg GPA: 4.0
Avg ACT: 32 (out of 36)
Avg SAT: 1400 (out of 1600)
To suggest that A&M or Mizzou, each of which accepts the vast majority of applicants, is even comparable to UGA is objectively incorrect and not supported by the data.
Mizzou has an average ACT of 26 and accepts 80% of its applicants. The average Mizzou student would have viewed UGA as a “far reach” school, comparable to UNC or UVA in regard to admissions competition.
SEC Academic Rankings:
1. Vanderbilt
2. UGA, UF, UT-Austin (tie)
3. A&M (accepts 75% of applicants), U. South Carolina (tie)
4. The rest.
Outside of Vanderbilt, “ranking” is not outcome determinative. Ceteris peribus, an LSU or Ole Miss grad with a 4.0 will beat out a UGA or UF grad with a 3.3.
UGA stats Source:
LINK /
Mizzou stats Source: LINK
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:10 pm to Turf Taint
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Look up AAU schools
AAU is biased to non southern schools. Look how long it took some southern schools to be admitted to the AAU
That being said
Top Tier
Vanderbilt + Utx + TAMU + UF
Next Tier
Mizzou + Kentucky + Tennessee + Georgia
(Georgia may be top of this Tier or bottom of the Top Tier)
Next Tier
South Carolina + LSU + Alabama + Auburn
(I view AL schools as two half of a whole)
Bottom Tier
Arkansas + Oklahoma + Rebs + State
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:17 pm to charliethehun
Georgia isn't in the same tier as Florida, Texas, and A&M
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:17 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Acceptance rate is a misleading criteria for this topic. A&M turns down less applicants because it's transparent about the minimum entrance requirements.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:20 pm to GentleJackJones
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Vanderbilt isn't an Ivy League school. It isn't even the best private university in the South. That is Duke.
Yeah, wow, one's like 15 and the other is 17. huge drop-off there.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:22 pm to Richard_Cranium
quote:Yup.
Your professional life is what you make of it. Your academic records are only relevant right out of school.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:23 pm to Pastor Mike
quote:T.U. South-China University. Duke East-China University.
Vanderbilt (West-China University)
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:26 pm to Hellmet
Arkansas is just damn lucky they even have a school
Posted on 8/19/21 at 4:44 pm to charliethehun
Honest answer, it appears that Texas will be in line right behind Vandy for academics according to national academic ranking of universities. Which probably explains their recent failure to achieve glory on the football field.
Personally, I'd like to see the SEC's academic renown be every bit as grand as their athletic prowess. It kinda sucks for kids who graduate with their degree to be fully qualified to stand behind a public microphone and say, "Did you want fries with that order?"
Personally, I'd like to see the SEC's academic renown be every bit as grand as their athletic prowess. It kinda sucks for kids who graduate with their degree to be fully qualified to stand behind a public microphone and say, "Did you want fries with that order?"
Posted on 8/19/21 at 5:08 pm to charliethehun
Texas and Vanderbilt are top two now
Florida, Georgia and maybe Texas A&M next.
But it really depends on the field but overall that’s it.
The burnside guy has it exactly the same as what I would say right now.
Florida, Georgia and maybe Texas A&M next.
But it really depends on the field but overall that’s it.
The burnside guy has it exactly the same as what I would say right now.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 5:15 pm
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