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re: So 4th & 11 wasn't Smart's stupid fault. It was Justin Fields all the time....
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:37 pm to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:37 pm to Funky Tide 8
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If the guy was supposed to be wide open, anyone who could throw a forward pass could've probably completed the pass to a wide open reciever.
After watching Fields run the play, I'm not sure even he could have hit an open reciever.
They should've just let Fromm be the upback.
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:52 pm to Funky Tide 8
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No what? You are saying that it takes a highly accurate QB to complete a 10-15 yard pass to a wide open WR?
I'm saying 2 things:
1) It's not detrimental to the play's success to have Fields on the field. If anything, it helps - maybe significantly - given his ability to run and the LBs potential focus on that, while still being a 5-star thrower of the football, 6'3", and possessing a 33" vertical leap for the following pop/jump pass.
2) My memory is littered with failed special teams plays that failed because the punter or some schmo couldn't throw a basic pass, but I've played and seen a lot of football. Have you?
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:54 pm to Master of Sinanju
I'm sure that like most trick plays, it would've worked if there had been a perfect blue sky. However, even if sending Fields out there was a setup to lure us into the right defense, it also raised our antenna that something was up. Plus, I don't know if I put the game in Fields' hands considering he hadn't exactly lit the world on fire earlier in the game.
Given all of that and knowing that failing on the play would've most likely cost us the game, I think it's pure idiocy to call a play in that situation that requires absolute precision execution in order to work.
Given all of that and knowing that failing on the play would've most likely cost us the game, I think it's pure idiocy to call a play in that situation that requires absolute precision execution in order to work.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:54 pm to prevatt33
NVM
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:55 pm to FairhopeTider
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precision execution
This precision you speak of is simply snapping it 2 seconds faster. But whatevs...
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:03 pm to prevatt33
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This precision you speak of is simply snapping it 2 seconds faster. But whatevs...
If that 2 seconds is the difference between working and not, then that slim margin of error isn't worth it.
If it was 4th and 5 or something, then maybe it's better because the chance that Fields can make something out of a busted play goes up.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:06 pm to prevatt33
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It's not detrimental to the play's success to have Fields on the field. If anything, it helps - maybe significantly -
OH OKAY
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My memory is littered with failed special teams plays that failed because the punter or some schmo couldn't throw a basic pass,
Is your memory also littered with successful passes on trick plays by non QBs? Because it happens quite often.
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but I've played and seen a lot of football. Have you?
What difference does it make? You already have the opinion of yourself that you are God's gift to high school football coaching(or whatever the frick it is that you coach.) I don't think that that will change.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:39 pm to John Milner
I don’t believe that
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:53 pm to Funky Tide 8
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whatever the frick it is that you coach.
I don't currently coach anything. I'm a small business owner in Latin America.
Look, just because I'm condescending doesn't make me wrong. Facts can make me wrong, and the facts are on my side in this debate.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:54 pm to FairhopeTider
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If that 2 seconds is the difference between working and not, then that slim margin of error isn't worth it.
This is a perfectly justifiable mindset, and is a far cry from, "It was a stupid call, PAWL!"
Posted on 12/21/18 at 6:25 pm to prevatt33
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And Saban has said many times about fans, (paraphrasing) "When it works, you say the play was a good call. When it doesn't work, it was a bad call. The real difference between those 2 is execution."
Then there is no such thing as a bad play call/decision since no play is designed to fail.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 8:43 pm to prevatt33
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2) My memory is littered with failed special teams plays that failed because the punter or some schmo couldn't throw a basic pass, but I've played and seen a lot of football. Have you?
Nothing more than smug douchebaggery. I would guess most posters here played football you self righteous prick.
Your idiotic argument that the 4th and 11 fake punt was a, and I quote “the fake punt was actually a really good call” is nothing more than you wanting to be a know it all dick. You keep saying you are providing facts is nonsense. Momentum can’t be listed as a fact because it’s not quantifiable. And Kirby’s defense of his call in his post game presser doesn’t move the needle for a fact based argument in defense of the call. Same for Saban’s response. He’s not gonna say “boy that was stupid.”
Every play is designed to work, so saying that if they executed by snapping it 2 seconds sooner(that’s actually plenty of time to adjust on an obvious fake punt) is embarrassingly simplistic. You could use that argument for any failed play
It’s a bad call because you can punt it and make a QB who had been terrible against you this calendar year go 80 plus yards. You have a better chance of punting them inside the 10 statistically than converting a fake punt for 11 plus yards.
It’s a bad call because you tip your hand with Fields. No argument can be made otherwise and be taken seriously, because if you want them to know it’s a fake punt... then it’s not a fake.
It’s a bad call because the percentage of fake punts being converted successfully is incredibly low, and when you consider it was 4th and 11 it’s even lower.
It was a bad call because if you don’t convert you handed Alabama more of your precious momentum which you view as a measurable “fact”. You put them 2 first downs away from a field goal instead of 80-90 plus yards, which most would argue is a good call in that situation.
But what do you expect from a guy who argued Keith Holcomb played a great game against State last year
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:37 pm to cajunbama
Cajun, most of your post is not even worth replying to, as it has already been argued and you are quite late to the party. You also refuse to acknowledge even the most basic of facts, and so you arguing with you is not worth my time.
Regarding this:
I most certainly did not say that Holcombe had a great game. I said his performance wasn't nearly as bad as many made it out to be, which I stand by. But simpletons like you view the world as extremes, and your pathetic Holcombe dig mirrors the fake punt play.
That fake punt was neither an amazing call nor a stupid call - it was something in between. It was a ballsy call that didn't work, but came very close to doing so. Holcombe's play was similarly neither awful nor great - it was something in between.
But fricktards like you can't see that, because you are stupid. Simply stupid. Please be clear that I am not talking to anyone else on this board in this paragraph. Only you, Cajun. I leave more intelligent beings than you in tightly coiled packages in my toilet every morning. frick you from the bottom of my heart, you stupid piece of human garbage.
If this gets me a ban, I'll tote it - and see ya'll on the other side. Roll Tide.
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who argued Keith Holcomb played a great game against State last year
I most certainly did not say that Holcombe had a great game. I said his performance wasn't nearly as bad as many made it out to be, which I stand by. But simpletons like you view the world as extremes, and your pathetic Holcombe dig mirrors the fake punt play.
That fake punt was neither an amazing call nor a stupid call - it was something in between. It was a ballsy call that didn't work, but came very close to doing so. Holcombe's play was similarly neither awful nor great - it was something in between.
But fricktards like you can't see that, because you are stupid. Simply stupid. Please be clear that I am not talking to anyone else on this board in this paragraph. Only you, Cajun. I leave more intelligent beings than you in tightly coiled packages in my toilet every morning. frick you from the bottom of my heart, you stupid piece of human garbage.
If this gets me a ban, I'll tote it - and see ya'll on the other side. Roll Tide.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:19 pm to John Milner
That's one big pile of bullshite, coming from Kirby Smart it seems par for the course tho.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:39 pm to prevatt33
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You also refuse to acknowledge even the most basic of facts,
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That fake punt was neither an amazing call nor a stupid call - it was something in between
Yet your first post in this thread said
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the fake punt was actually a really good call:
You are embarrassingly dumb.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:44 pm to cajunbama
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the fake punt was actually a really good call
Yes, "call" regarding the Xs and Os of it, not "call" as in it was the right thing to do - as I have reiterated many times in this thread.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:49 pm to prevatt33
Most plays are good calls on the chalk board. Like I said a few times already no play is designed to fail.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:53 pm to cajunbama
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Most plays are good calls on the chalk board. Like I said a few times already no play is designed to fail.
My overarching point is that there's merit to the notion of going for it there, given all the factors, and that the play was a humdinger - if they had snapped it before we sniffed it out. That's all.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:53 pm to prevatt33
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But fricktards like you can't see that, because you are stupid. Simply stupid. Please be clear that I am not talking to anyone else on this board in this paragraph. Only you, Cajun. I leave more intelligent beings than you in tightly coiled packages in my toilet every morning. frick you from the bottom of my heart, you stupid piece of human garbage.
Now this is how you melt ladies and gentlemen
Posted on 12/21/18 at 10:59 pm to cajunbama
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Now this is how you melt ladies and gentlemen
It felt real good. Spread your fingers, snap your wrist. Net.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 11:00 pm
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