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re: So 4th & 11 wasn't Smart's stupid fault. It was Justin Fields all the time....
Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:25 am to John Milner
Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:25 am to John Milner
It's amazing to me that people still think this was a good call.
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:30 am to BamaChemE
Alabama was not blitzing. It almost looked like a loose prevent defense. They were not blitzing the punter. They just wanted to prevent an 11 yard gain with the defense on the field. Its crazy to say Kirby wanted Alabama's first team defense on the field vs the kick team.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:54 am to Commander Data
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I see that some guys either can't read or are just not very bright. Kirby was two seconds away from converting that for about twenty yards. Thank God they hesitated long enough for Saban to smell the trickery.
I watched the game again last night and when it got to this play I tried every reason under the sun to justify the play call and I couldn't find any.
Alabama's defense was just straight setup against a punt fake. So you can say Kirby/Georgia had some special play setup that they thought was going to be great, but the problem with that entire line of thought is that Alabama was not in punt block.
And I know you said it was setup for Alabama to be in that formation, but that makes no real sense to me because if you are going to call a trick play against a non-punt defensive formation, why do it that one out of a punt formation when you have so many others to choose from?
When Alabama came out in that defense they said "Hey, we expect you are going to try and pull some shite". The element of true surprise is gone, if you want to go for it, then put your best foot forward.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 12:38 pm to IB4bama
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Its crazy to say Kirby wanted Alabama's first team defense on the field vs the kick team.
Kirby answered 2 questions in his post game presser about the 4th down call:
Kirby's answer to question 1
"We had been carrying that for - actually carried it last year. And thought it was there. It was there today [chuckles]. We were gonna snap the ball quick, and took too long to snap the ball. They didn't have a guy covered. We had a guy wide open, and we took so long to snap it that they ended up recognizing it, and got the guy covered late.... We talked to the guys before the game about it, that if we get an opportunity to run it, we're gonna run it. And it was there - we just didn't get it snapped before they covered the guy."
Kirby's answer to question 2
In answer 2, Kirby's exact words: "We've seen their Safe. We know exactly what their Safe is. They line up and they don't cover a guy. There's a guy wide open, and he's not gonna be covered. And at the last second, they saw it."
Nick Saban was also asked about the 4th down call in his post game presser:
Saban's answer
His exact words, "We were screaming on the bench because the formation they were in [puts hands up to indicate unbalanced line], the second guy was eligible. We were afraid we weren't gonna get him covered up, but we did."
Vid of punt fake, showing Moses pointing to his man (not the Right Tackle) just before the snap, and then at the last second, Mack Wilson points and adjusts Moses' responsibility just before/as the ball is being snapped.
Punt fake
You "guys" can continue to lament the call all you want. You can hate on it for not working, and decry it for not being what you would have done. Fine.
But the fact that Kirby wanted Bama to be in Punt Safe, which is run by Bama's Regular personnel, and that this punt fake was specifically designed to be run solely against that very defense, and that we got the guy covered at the very last second - is officially hereby demonstrated to be a motherfricking fact.
There is no mic big enough to satisfy my need to drop one right now.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 12:43 pm to 3down10
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And I know you said it was setup for Alabama to be in that formation, but that makes no real sense to me because if you are going to call a trick play against a non-punt defensive formation, why do it that one out of a punt formation when you have so many others to choose from?
See above incontrovertible proof.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 12:46 pm to prevatt33
Bingo! If it smells like bullshite, looks like bullshite then it’s just straight up bullshite! Deal with it uga fans!
Posted on 12/21/18 at 12:48 pm to prevatt33
That's not what I doubted. I read that already.
I just don't see any way it can be called a good call.
Again: 4th and 11 and your game plan for winning the game revolves around a missed assignment against a defense that is already thinking you are going to fake it.
There is really no reason to even line up in that formation to start with. Tons of other plays he could have called with a much higher success chance.
I just don't see any way it can be called a good call.
Again: 4th and 11 and your game plan for winning the game revolves around a missed assignment against a defense that is already thinking you are going to fake it.
There is really no reason to even line up in that formation to start with. Tons of other plays he could have called with a much higher success chance.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 12:54 pm to 3down10
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revolves around a missed assignment
NO! No, motherfricking, no. This is the whole point!
It revolves around Bama playing their known assignments! It revolves around lining up and expeditiously snapping the ball to take advantage of Bama's known man coverage responsibilities because you, Kirby, used to work there a couple years ago!
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 12:56 pm to 3down10
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There is really no reason to even line up in that formation to start with. Tons of other plays he could have called with a much higher success chance.
They had a play, on 4th and 11, that if they had snapped it 2 seconds earlier (maybe 1), would have had an uncovered receiver, with no one withing 15 yards of him when he caught it, and already past the second level. There are no better 4th and 11 plays than that. That play failed because the execution was bad - because the execution depended on lining up and running it quickly.
They simply didn't line up and run it quick enough. For that play, the "execution" of it starts the moment it's called, not when the ball is snapped.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:06 pm to prevatt33
BTW, it's infuriating to have to go to these lengths just to get normal folks to see the reality right in their faces. No wonder the US is such a fricked up country. Critical Thinking is a foreign concept. I suppose that's the fault of the US education system. It teaches regurgitation, not critical thinking.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:08 pm to prevatt33
I literally don't care if the play could have worked. I could jump between 2 buildings and could make it but that doesn't make it a good idea.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:18 pm to prevatt33
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BTW, it's infuriating to have to go to these lengths just to get normal folks to see the reality right in their faces.
What do you not understand about the fact that Fields being out there is the reason that our defense easily snuffed it out? You keep talking about how kirby knew a guy would be uncovered because he knows our players assignments in safe. Well, no eligible WR is going to be uncovered when you trot your backup QB who has never ever ever ever been on punt team out there. This is why it was stupid to A. try and run that play with Fields and B. Go through with the play when it was clearly snuffed out.
And it's not like they took forever to snap the ball - snapped it almost immediately after they quickly got lined up. It took the D very little time to figure out that something was rotten in Denmark.
This is very simple logic that you are straight up denying. The fact that you are acting as if there is absolutely 100% no debate as to whether it was a bad call or not and we are the ones that are stupid is quite astonishing.
I mean...
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Kirby: "...And thought it was there. It was there today."[chuckles].
The motherfricker could not even say it with a straight face
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:19 pm to BamaRolling
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I could jump between 2 buildings and could make it but that doesn't make it a good idea.
It does if you beat Bama, win the SEC Championship for the second year in a row, and go to the playoffs by making it.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:25 pm to Funky Tide 8
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no eligible WR is going to be uncovered
It's a tackle-eligible play. Those are almost always run against regular defense. You're using their normal assignments against them.
But think what you want, regardless that your thinking is diametrically opposed to the evidence. Nothing can be said to change your it. I've accepted this fact about humanity. Hell, flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers exist. It is what it is.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:25 pm to Funky Tide 8
Funky let me be the voice of reason.
They put Fields on the field for a few reasons:
A: to assure and ensure we were in Punt Safe the formation UGA wanted.
B: to throw an accurate pass to a wide open target.
Prevatt is correct. From film we ran the same punt safe over and over. They designed a play around number 32 Moses. His key is in the backfield not the eligible uncover. UGA took too long to run the play and the sideline signaled to Mac who then signaled to Moses. You can watch him point it out. The receiver did run a crappy route and this is all predicated on Fields hitting his man but, the play was there until we called it in from the sideline. Hope that helps.
They put Fields on the field for a few reasons:
A: to assure and ensure we were in Punt Safe the formation UGA wanted.
B: to throw an accurate pass to a wide open target.
Prevatt is correct. From film we ran the same punt safe over and over. They designed a play around number 32 Moses. His key is in the backfield not the eligible uncover. UGA took too long to run the play and the sideline signaled to Mac who then signaled to Moses. You can watch him point it out. The receiver did run a crappy route and this is all predicated on Fields hitting his man but, the play was there until we called it in from the sideline. Hope that helps.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:29 pm to CrimsonBoz
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From film we ran the same punt safe over and over.
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: to assure and ensure we were in Punt Safe the formation UGA wanted.
If we run it over and over and over, then why would they need to insert a gigantic red flag into the play to ensure that we were going to be in safe?
If the guy was supposed to be wide open, anyone who could throw a forward pass could've probably completed the pass to a wide open reciever.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 12:22 am
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:32 pm to Funky Tide 8
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The fact that you are acting as if there is absolutely 100% no debate as to whether it was a bad call or not
I believe we have miscommunicated.
I am not saying it was the right call. I am not saying it was what I would have done.
Kirby has been crucified for it being a monumentally bad call. Some people compared it to the Seahawks goal line debacle a few years back. Some said it was among one of the worst calls in history. Honestly, I thought it was a horrible call at the time.
But then I gathered more information, and realized that it was a helluva call, and had a very, VERY high chance of working, and clearly almost did.
My argument is that it was not some epically horrible call. It was a ballsy call that didn't work, and while I might not have done it, I can respect the hell out of the logic. Like Kirby said, you're only trading 30 yards of field position for basically winning the game, or at least shooting your chances up above 80% or so.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:33 pm to CrimsonBoz
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They put Fields on the field for a few reasons:
A: to assure and ensure we were in Punt Safe the formation UGA wanted.
B: to throw an accurate pass to a wide open target.
Yep.
Some still won't believe it, though.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:34 pm to Funky Tide 8
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If the guy was supposed to be wide open, anyone who could throw a forward pass could've probably completed the pass to a wide open reciever.
Umm, no.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:36 pm to prevatt33
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Umm, no.
No what? You are saying that it takes a highly accurate QB to complete a 10-15 yard pass to a wide open WR?
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