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re: OT- Lake Oconee Murders
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:26 pm to Perrydawg
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:26 pm to Perrydawg
Could be mafia or Mexican cartel. I don't know much about the mafia, but it seems that the Mexican cartels love whacking off heads. Definitely not local, and done to send a "private" message since the body was not displayed, the head has not been found, and nothing was stolen from the residence.
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:28 pm to Kundawg
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These people were originally from New Jersey before moving south. One son killed in a drug deal gone bad. Other son lives in Florida in the "wholesale food" business. My theory is that the family was involved in the drug trade, in a large way. Owed big money to one of the drug cartels. Son in Florida is now running the family enterprise, and won't pay up. Dad is killed and decapitated, so head can be sent to son as a message. Mom was kidnapped, for leverage against the son (we'll do the same to her if you don't pay!), but something went wrong with that, and either she died in a struggle, or they killed her because she was screaming, and dumped her body in the lake.
No. The FBI was all up in the family's shite after this happened. If they were involved in any kind of big time drug trade, it would have been discovered. Even if they couldn't link the murders, they would have gotten the son on some kind of charge for either tax evasion, laundering, obstruction, etc.
Also, the New Jersey angle is meaningless. They hadn't lived in NJ in 3 or 4 decades. And being from the North doesn't mean much around ATL. Most people in ATL are from the North and midwest.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:30 pm to deeprig9
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3) They intended to dismember both of them before realizing it was too much work. Decided to dispose of wife first in lake, then before they took the husband, something spooked them and they abandoned the operation. It might have never been the intention to leave the husband's corpse behind.
yeah but why decapitate if you were going to take the body with you. It is easier to conceal a head if you are using it for proof of death in the event someone ordered the hit. I would assume they would bring the tools to do the beheading with them so that part would have been thought out. I doubt these people had a lot of yard tools around because most in this area have landscapers to take care of that. I mean that is pretty lazy killers to go damn lopping his head off was hard work, screw it will just leave the body and take the head.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:34 pm to Perrydawg
Deeprig, if you don't believe in the drug angle, what is your theory of motive?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:38 pm to Perrydawg
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yeah but why decapitate if you were going to take the body with you. I
Because the original intent was to dismember all of them, they got done with just the head then changed their mind.
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It is easier to conceal a head if you are using it for proof of death in the event someone ordered the hit.
And even easier to get a newspaper to prove it.
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I mean that is pretty lazy killers to go damn lopping his head off was hard work, screw it will just leave the body and take the head.
Not really, they already had the head off, lake is out back. Easy to toss it.
I think the intent, initially, was to dismember them both and scatter the remains throughout the lake. So they already had the boat lined up, and as many have speculated, arrived by boat.
Got lazy maybe, or pressed for time, and decided just to go dump them without any more dismemberment.
They dumped wife first.
Got spooked, maybe another boat got too close, who knows. Said frick it, lets get out of here while husband's body was still in the house.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:40 pm to Kundawg
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Deeprig, if you don't believe in the drug angle, what is your theory of motive?
I haven't thought much about motive yet. I'm going to cut out of work early and go have a beer, and think about it.
I've only been trying to piece together the disorderly pieces of the crime scene in a way that makes sense.
I don't think the drug cartel makes sense, knowing what we know about the FBI's investigation turning up nothing, and the fact a pro hit wouldn't be this weird.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:40 pm to Kundawg
A beheading has to be either drug, ISIS or maybe some gang initiation/related activity? It definitely was done to prove something.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 1:45 pm to SquatchDawg
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A beheading has to be either drug, ISIS or maybe some gang initiation/related activity? It definitely was done to prove something.
Or a random psycho. Or some other non-organized vendetta. Or even mistaken identity for any of the above scenarios.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 5:44 pm to deeprig9
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Why try to sink wife body but leave husbands body at the house?
Spouse is most common suspect in any spousal murder. If wife's body isn't found, would be an easy assumption to make that she she killed/was in on killing of husband and went on the lam.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 5:51 pm to FaCubeItches
I think there's far too much assumption that these killers had some kind of perfect plan in which there's a big riddle to figure out. Like Martin Scorcese got together with Francis Ford Coppola to plan this.
It's stupid enough and sloppy enough to suggest the killers didn't know what the frick. And through dumb luck, they've gotten away with it.
I tried to think about motive earlier, I still can't think of one, based on the case file.
To quote Rumsfeld:
There are knowns.
There are unknowns.
There are known knowns.
There are unknown knowns.
There are known unknowns.
There are unknown unknowns.
It's stupid enough and sloppy enough to suggest the killers didn't know what the frick. And through dumb luck, they've gotten away with it.
I tried to think about motive earlier, I still can't think of one, based on the case file.
To quote Rumsfeld:
There are knowns.
There are unknowns.
There are known knowns.
There are unknown knowns.
There are known unknowns.
There are unknown unknowns.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:44 pm to deeprig9
I kept up with this story really closely. My old boss has a lake house on Oconee and he said most people down there were disturbed by the murders but just kind of wrote it off as some crime related to one of his former businesses. Still nothing adds up since the FBI investigation turned up zero. So many questions. Was it possible that Dermond hid his shady dealings so well that not even an FBI investigation would turn up the dirtt? Maybe it was just some random psychos like The Strangers. I can't imagine living in that neighborhood after somtehing so horrific occurred, but like I said most people down there just kind of moved on with things in the aftermath.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:03 pm to deeprig9
Haven't you guys watched CSI? The forensics people can tell what tool was used to severe the head and possibly determine what hardware store it was purchased. They can tell if its a pro decapitator or just an amateur 
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:43 pm to Buddy2012
When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas a decapitated man was found dead in his home. Clinton's chief medical examiner ruled that the man died of diabetes and that his small dog bit his head off.
Did those people have a little dog adept with cinder blocks?
Did those people have a little dog adept with cinder blocks?
Posted on 2/24/18 at 8:52 am to deeprig9
Current flows in both directions on Oconee due to pump back. Almost like a tidal situation...makes for some interesting fishing. Also can require re-setting of decoys when duck hunting.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 8:58 am to deeprig9
When you make your trip, you should drop by the Sheriff Office and meet with Howard Sills. He is truly one of a kind. Take him a cigar, and you’ll have a real story to tell.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:49 am to ugastreaker
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When you make your trip, you should drop by the Sheriff Office and meet with Howard Sills. He is truly one of a kind. Take him a cigar, and you’ll have a real story to tell.
I have no interest in playing Brer Rabbit Brer Fox in Eatonton with the sheriff of Putnam county. My hair is a little too long to play that game.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:37 am to Bleudawg
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Good luck my friend... beware the Mexican Mob or the Nuwabians. This is sticky ish. lol
I've seen a little bit of the Nuwabian conspiracy.
The sheriff pissed them off, so they committed this murder randomly to embarrass the sheriff.
It makes no sense. If you are going to brutally murder someone, then murder the person who made you mad, why murder strangers to simply "embarrass" someone else?
They are some crazy motherfrickers though. I remember them in Athens in the 90's. My friend was a waiter at the Red Lobster on Broad, where the Nuwabians came to eat, often. He has great stories.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 4:35 pm to deeprig9
This has north Georgia pinestraw war written all over it.
The clueless dipshit sheriff probably doesnt even know which straw lord runs that particular zip code .
The clueless dipshit sheriff probably doesnt even know which straw lord runs that particular zip code .
Posted on 2/24/18 at 5:00 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Welcome back!
Posted on 2/24/18 at 5:51 pm to deeprig9
Have you ever heard the story of Kekistan? and how their ancestors eventually reunited on the 4chan message board...and changed the course of history by forming an autistic army of dorks so powerful to the point they now actually have the whole ‘Q Anon’ deal with access/intel to the highest levels of power within the u.s. government and deep state? 
I was reading about that stuff and thought “Man, the GSB is weak as frick. comparatively”
But there’s pockets of potential here, so maybe we could unite and solve this murder mystery and make our mark that way
Positives:
-we solve a murder
-and bring closure to the family
-and bring the guilty their justice
-also, if we succeed, it could attract better posters to GSB
-and run off the banal dawgs
-after that, sky’s the limit and we might even get rich
I was reading about that stuff and thought “Man, the GSB is weak as frick. comparatively”
But there’s pockets of potential here, so maybe we could unite and solve this murder mystery and make our mark that way
Positives:
-we solve a murder
-and bring closure to the family
-and bring the guilty their justice
-also, if we succeed, it could attract better posters to GSB
-and run off the banal dawgs
-after that, sky’s the limit and we might even get rich
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